I'm not arguing either. I'm stating the fact behind my reasoning and looking for an explanation. Things don't magically happen, there is always a rational explanation. I'm trying to figure out one for why two digital transports would sound different playing through the exact same DAC. Since you have experienced it, I figured you'd have one.
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how do you think that digital data is represented electronically? And what else could come out of that transport to the dac?
after you ponder, you will understand what you may hear with different transports.
You may wish to review the youtube interview with Mojos designer for one take on it, I believe it may be referenced on post #................well you know what post in this thread to reference, right?
I'm not arguing either. I'm stating the fact behind my reasoning and looking for an explanation. Things don't magically happen, there is always a rational explanation. I'm trying to figure out one for why two digital transports would sound different playing through the exact same DAC. Since you have experienced it, I figured you'd have one.
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As to your question on "why there is difference?", there could be whole number of reasons that I am not technically sound to answer. But if I have to guess, it could be the material quality in the chain right from the SD Card pins in the device, to the materials on the PCB, to the digital out socket.. I wish I had a definite answer..
I'm still skeptical... Have you tried blind testing?
From the DAC perspective, a digital value is a digital value. Your suggestions do not have an appreciable effect on data transmission unless your device is riddled with damaged solder joints and rust causing an extremely, extremely high BER. But your experience would be the exception not the rule. I can't think of a single engineering principle that would support the notion proposed by the first individual, save some DSP on one DAP that is not present on the other.
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I'm not arguing either. I'm stating the fact behind my reasoning and looking for an explanation. Things don't magically happen, there is always a rational explanation. I'm trying to figure out one for why two digital transports would sound different playing through the exact same DAC. Since you have experienced it, I figured you'd have one.
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how do you think that digital data is represented electronically? And what else could come out of that transport to the dac?
after you ponder, you will understand what you may hear with different transports.
You may wish to review the youtube interview with Mojos designer for one take on it, I believe it may be referenced on post #................well you know what post in this thread to reference, right?
With a square waves. I'm fully aware of signal integrity issues that could result in bit flips... But random bit errors cannot explain such specific changes to the sound being described here.
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With a square waves. I'm fully aware of signal integrity issues that could result in bit flips... But random bit errors cannot explain such specific changes to the sound being described here.
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Watch the video, read some TI papers on USB audio, visit and read white papers on USB.org and understand the challenges in USB digital audio and don't worry about bit errors, the data getting there in one piece is the easy part.
With a square waves. I'm fully aware of signal integrity issues that could result in bit flips... But random bit errors cannot explain such specific changes to the sound being described here.
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Watch the video, read some TI papers on USB audio, visit and read white papers on USB.org and understand the challenges in USB digital audio and don't worry about bit errors, the data getting there in one piece is the easy part.
Why is everyone speaking in riddles? You seem to have concrete facts to support this notion, why not just present them? Why send the person asking the question on a scavenger hunt?
If the DAC values are getting to the DAC correctly, then there is no difference in the DAC output.
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I'm still skeptical... Have you tried blind testing?
From the DAC perspective, a digital value is a digital value. Your suggestions do not have an appreciable effect on data transmission unless your device is riddled with damaged solder joints and rust causing an extremely, extremely high BER. But your experience would be the exception not the rule. I can't think of a single engineering principle that would support the notion proposed by the first individual, save some DSP on one DAP that is not present on the other.
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I did not try blind testing. But I would dare not mention anything on a forum that I wasn't sure about. It was not a difference in tonality, but an improvement in technical abilities. Cleaner sound than the X3ii with better transparency.
Like I said, I do not have the technical capacity to answer what is causing the difference.
As for the rule and exception, check out these posts:
Why is everyone speaking in riddles? You seem to have concrete facts to support this notion, why not just present them? Why send the person asking the question on a scavenger hunt?
If the DAC values are getting to the DAC correctly, then there is no difference in the DAC output.
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I'm still skeptical... Have you tried blind testing?
From the DAC perspective, a digital value is a digital value. Your suggestions do not have an appreciable effect on data transmission unless your device is riddled with damaged solder joints and rust causing an extremely, extremely high BER. But your experience would be the exception not the rule. I can't think of a single engineering principle that would support the notion proposed by the first individual, save some DSP on one DAP that is not present on the other.
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I'm still skeptical... Have you tried blind testing?
From the DAC perspective, a digital value is a digital value. Your suggestions do not have an appreciable effect on data transmission unless your device is riddled with damaged solder joints and rust causing an extremely, extremely high BER. But your experience would be the exception not the rule. I can't think of a single engineering principle that would support the notion proposed by the first individual, save some DSP on one DAP that is not present on the other.
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Why is everyone speaking in riddles? You seem to have concrete facts to support this notion, why not just present them? Why send the person asking the question on a scavenger hunt?
If the DAC values are getting to the DAC correctly, then there is no difference in the DAC output.
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I dont think you are asking, basically you came with a loaded question. Seems your aim is to cause an argument. If you believe it makes no difference then you have that right to continue believing that. Maybe you cant compute it and thats ok. You can create a thread on your question.
wiring, spacing between parts, quality of psu and ripple etc. Different wiring causes different sounds, and spacing between the parts differ in jitter. Jitter is not just in software side, but hardware side as well.
More jitter is more noise, and ripple effect in psu also causes small spikes vs. non spikes.
Just like a piano key with same material used in same piano causes different sound, waveforms tend to differ with different materials used.
Why is everyone speaking in riddles? You seem to have concrete facts to support this notion, why not just present them? Why send the person asking the question on a scavenger hunt?
If the DAC values are getting to the DAC correctly, then there is no difference in the DAC output.
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wiring, spacing between parts, quality of psu and ripple etc. Different wiring causes different sounds, and spacing between the parts differ in jitter. Jitter is not just in software side, but hardware side as well.
More jitter is more noise, and ripple effect in psu also causes small spikes vs. non spikes.
Just like a piano key with same material used in same piano causes different sound, waveforms tend to differ with different materials used.
None of these things change the digital value being transmitted.
If were talking about an analog chain, then yes... Some of those things may have an effect. But for transmitting and receiving digital values, those artifacts are irrelevant.
Jitter is a hardware measurment by the way, it doesn't exist at all in software.
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I dont think you are asking, basically you came with a loaded question. Seems your aim is to cause an argument. If you believe it makes no difference then you have that right to continue believing that. Maybe you cant compute it and thats ok. You can create a thread on your question.
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