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Discussion in 'High-end Audio Forum' started by magiccabbage, May 14, 2015.
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  1. jarnopp

    Thanks for the comprehensive reviews. Is your reference point then vinyl and , if so, what is the ultimate vinyl setup you are comparing these DACs against? An additional question would be how might they compare to ,aster tapes or even live performances.

  2. thomaskong78
    MSB Select Dac vs Vinyl

    (This the same room with slightly different setup)

    On Dec 6th, 2018 I had attended Launching event of YG Acoustics Hailey 1.2 speakers in Seoul, Korea.

    MSB Select II Dac and Pre was connected to Viola Legacy Mono Amplifier to drive the speakers.

    Nordost Valhalla cables were used.

    The system gave wide and deep soundstage with tight and tuneful bass.

    There is no doubt it was top notch system in every way with the total cost of component over 200K $.


    http://www.kronosaudio.com/images/kronos pro big-crop-u963_2x.jpg?crc=3796245212

    At the end of show, we decided to do interesting comparison between MSB Select Dac II (85K$) and vinyl system using Kronus turntable.

    Kronus turntable was fed to Octave phono amp and Viola Pre amp,

    MSB Select was used as Pre and Dac.

    We selected above Vinyl and 24/96 network media.

    I got surprised to find that MSB and Kronus gave very similar sound.

    MSB Select provided slightly more dense sound with little bit more details.

    Kronus gave slightly more relaxed sound.

    If I had to choose one, I would take Kronus over MSB on this music since I like relaxed sound as I get older.

    But it could change with different music.

    Unfortunately we could test only one music.

    Other people may have different opinion.

    Despite this conclusion, MSB Select II gave one of the best sound from any DAC that I had ever heard.
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  3. rkt31
    To me tt2 +HMS sounded more relaxed than Kronos tt at Singapore. HMS contributes a lot for making sound stress free.
  4. kelly200269
    Thanks for this. Good advice.
    And yes, as with any upgrade/change YMMV.
    I’ve just been amazed with the improvements moving ‘up the chain’ of Chord DAC’s has brought. Moving from Hugo => TT1 => TT2 => TT2/HMS have all brought a massive smile to my face.
    But you’re correct, I think I would need to audition DAVE in my system to see if the benefits are realised in my relatively modest system.
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  5. FunkyBassMan
    I spent the better part of 6 hours listening at a dealer to Hugo2, TT2 and Dave, with and without M-Scaler on every conceivable recording I could think about. I posted about it a while back, but long story short, the DAVE + MScaler literally made the others unlistenable to me. It was like there was a "musicality IN/OUT" button.

    TT2+MScaler sounded better technically in terms of purity of tone and timing than Hugo2+MScaler but added nothing musically to my ears. Since I've lived all my life in recording studios and grew up listening to NS-10s, I respond 90% to musicality and 10% to purity of tone, so between the H2 the TT2, I could take either one over the other.

    However the DAVE brought the music. It was addictive like a delicious meal you can't stop eating.

    If Chord put the DAVE and the HMS in one box, they would rule the world.
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  6. ekfc63
    Along with the TT2's more powerful headphone amplifier
    Last edited: Nov 28, 2019
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  7. kelly200269
    Thanks for this. This is really helpful.
    I think that you’ve ‘hit the nail on the head’ when you talk about ‘musicality’.
    I know many non-Chord DAC users might balk at the cost of Chord DAC’s. and argue that they’re no better than off-the-shelf Delta Sigma DAC’s. And technically, that may be true. After all, they probably all display ruler-flat frequency response, distortion etc, and probably ‘measure’ very similarly.
    However Rob’s genius bestows Chord DAC’a with the magic ingredient - musicality, something that can’t be ‘measured’.
    Consideration of bass, treble, mids ‘quality’ etc is nonsensical when evaluating a Chord DAC against a stock Delta Sigma DAC.
    The HMS has been a revelation to me. It makes MUSIC. I’ve said previously on the HMS thread that the TT2 sounds relatively crude and uncouth without HMS.
    This makes me think that DAVE will be even more musical, and it’s impact in my relatively modest Linn Aktiv system will be felt in the same way that previous moves ‘up’ the Chord DAC range have been felt in the past.
    Something to look forward to in the New Year!
    Last edited: Nov 28, 2019
  8. rkt31
    I mostly use tt2 fed by HMS but one day i used tt2 alone via phone's Bluetooth. It sounded too good even with Bluetooth input. I don't know how you found tt2 alone crude !
  9. kelly200269
    I used the word relatively! :smile_phones:
  10. musickid
    So given all of this new information if one has to live with a solo dave or hms/tt2 which way do you go? Assuming here the tt2/hms owner i.e. me cannot afford to add another mscaler to a newly acquired dave anytime in the foreseeable future if ever.
    Last edited: Nov 28, 2019
  11. Triode User
    I thought you had asked that and I thought that a number of us had said go with solo Dave as being the better option.

    but really, shouldn’t you be listening and making that decision yourself? Do you have a good relationship with your chord dealer? Having bought TT2 and MScaler many would loan you a Dave for a home demo if they thought that ultimately there might be a sale in it.
    Last edited: Nov 29, 2019
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  12. musickid
    Yes nintronics have quoted me a good figure but i'm undecided between the musicality of hms and magical transparency of dave. i have heard dave solo twice through my PM1's and it is excellent. I'm waiting for the spark which will divert me one way or the other. Anyhow a second opinion here never hurt anyone.:thinking:
    Last edited: Nov 29, 2019
  13. marhol

    Oppo Pm1 were one of the most musical headphones I have heard by themselves. I was listening Pm1 with Oppo Ha-1 (neutral Dac/amp) and it was magical pairing. IMHO transparency, neutrality and holographic presentation of Dave would bring the best from Pm1 as it is an efficient and warm/musical sounding headphone.
    Last edited: Nov 29, 2019
  14. musickid
    have you heard tt2/hms vs dave?

    also is anyone out there using chromecast audio connected to dave to stream roon? this has to be one of the most minimalistic rf free setups possible. for headphone use.
    Last edited: Nov 29, 2019
  15. Triode User
    I have used CCA as a Roon endpoint with its optical output connected to TT2 & dave and I was never all that impressed with the sound quality. I admit it was using its supplied power supply. It deserves a bit more investigation but I am not entirely sure you can 100% say it is rf free despite the optical connection (there are other transmission routes for potential rf).
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