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Discussion in 'High-end Audio Forum' started by magiccabbage, May 14, 2015.
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  1. tunes
    I am about to give up my Aurender N100H for a reasonable offer. I used it literally twice since purchase a few years ago and decided to use my DAP with optical out as a transport instead. It’s essentially brand new!

    Please PM me if you have any interest.
  2. Drewligarchy
    I don't think it would lead to any savings on the Dave. While I truthfully don't know, I think adding or removing the headphone output on the Dave is relatively trivial from an engineering perspective and cost wise. Qutest exists to fulfill the entry level Chord Dac market segment. It's a fantastic DAC regardless of price. I'm sure the bill of materials for DAVE are much, much lower than the retail cost. Chord charges what they do because of R&D, and it's what the market would bear. Do I think it's worth it - yes! I have one and I'd buy it again.

    I don't see any reason for Chord to create a DAC that sits in between Dave and TT2. It would cannibalize the sales of Dave and I can't imagine volume would increase that much at that level to offset the price difference.
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  3. Drewligarchy
    My experience with playing with Digital Cables with Dave / Mscaler has led me to believe that the differences in digital cables are entirely due to handling RFI and noise. I was always skeptical of digital cables because the data is encoded, but this makes sense to me and provides at least a potential scientific explanation for differences in sound.

    For that reason, when using Toslink with a Chord Dac - or most modern Dacs where Jitter is a minor issue - leads me to believe that their really aren't any differences in toslink cables that work. Sure, glass may allow you to transfer higher bandwidth over longer distances - but if we really do take jitter out of the equation (I can't hear it at least) - are there really any differences on Toslink cables?

    IMO, analog cables do affect the sound as they - in many cases - act as a filter.
  4. Drewligarchy
    Still think it might be BNC cables. I think the Dave is more sensitive on the BNCs than the TT2. I think Chord managed to make them more stable on the TT2. I had the same issue with stock cables, but when I used different cables, I didn't have an issue any longer.

    I would also try the other inputs as suggested as that worked for me too. With certain cables, though, both set of inputs work flawlessly.
  5. iDesign
    Agreed. A DAVE without a headphone input is never going to happen and would be completely pointless. It would make more sense for someone to just purchase a secondhand DAVE if they could not afford a new unit.
    Last edited: Oct 16, 2019
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  6. adyc
    According to dmance, the mechanism of detecting dual rate is much more robust with TT2 than Dave. So I would try a new set of BNC cables.
  7. tunes
    Well. If there is a used DAVE on the market, I want to know what DAC they “upgraded” to.
  8. iDesign
    I suspect most are cutting back on spending (and rogue dealers selling them at wholesale). There are many for sale:
    Last edited: Oct 16, 2019
  9. tunes
    That’s sad that so many went over budget, didn’t like the SQ DAVE can offer or wanted something better??
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  10. jacc
    Hi. I have been using dual bnc output of blu mk2 without any problem. This morning I tried using a single bnc cable via the "single bnc output", but sample rate is only showing 176.4 (instead of 352) on DAVE. Just wondering if anyone of you are using the single bnc output to DAVE? I have also checked the upsample toggle switch but no help.
  11. fire2368
    Potentially stupid question.

    I like the crossfeed implementation a lot on the Dave but I like using my external tube amp, to keep the crossfeed into the amp do I just connect it out of the headphone out and set to -3dB?

    Does anyone else do this?
  12. ray-dude
    I learned the hard way that once you set cross feed with headphone plugged in, it stays on even when using the RCA or XLR outs on the back (even if you can’t see it on the display)

    headphone has to be plugged in to see the cross fade setting or change it, but it is on for all outputs
  13. ecwl
    That is not even necessary because crossfeed is ON for the headphones jack, RCA and XLR outputs if you turn it on with headphones plugged in. And it stays on when you unplug the headphones even though you cannot see the setting on the display.
    That was part of the DAVE’s design. Great for Head-fi people, even those who want to use external tube amp.
    But it can be annoying for people like me who switches between headphones and speakers as I always turn on crossfeed for headphones but I don’t always remember to turn off crossfeed before unplugging the headphones so I ended up getting unwanted crossfeed from my speakers.
  14. fire2368
    Did not realise that, should have probably tried to listen to it first before applying my own thoughts.
  15. thomaskong78
    I received new HD 800S headphone yesterday.
    Without any break-in, it did not show any hard edge.

    Some IEM like Hifiman need more than 100 hours of break in before harsh treble is gone.

    But after playing it for few hours, it seems to show more details and bass resonance.

    From the review, I had expected HD 800S to sound bright and be prepared to apply equalization using Lyngdorf 2170 presets.

    But driven by Chord Dave and Mscaler, it sounds neutral without any equalization.

    I had played Chesky Jazz Sampler and Test disc to test soundstage width and depth.

    It shows very sharp and precise focus but falls short of my 2 channel system in soundstage width and depth.

    But placement of instrument is more precise with HD 800S than my 2 channel system of Lanshe 4.1 driven by Line Magnetic 508SET.

    When I play "Surround Sound Demonstration CD" by Telarc, HD 800S gave very exciting presentation with fast and tight bass and precise focus without any hard edge.

    I have two headphones and one IEM to compare with HD 800S.

    The first one is 1MORE Triple-Driver Over-Ear Headphones sold by Drop at 130$.

    This is light, pretty efficient and excellent value at 130$.

    But compared with HD 800S, 1MORE Triple gave loose bass, less details and not precise focus.

    1MORE Triple is no match at all with HD 800S.

    The next one is Empire Zeus IEM sold by Drop(1k$ and 14 drivers in it).

    Zeus IEM gave more sparkle with nice details.

    But without equalization of 3db down at 6khz, Zeus sounds too bright overall while HD 800S sounds neutral without any eq..

    Nice thing of Zeus IEM is very high efficiency to be driven by regular cell phone like Galaxy Note4.

    Thus I will be happy to carry Zeus IEM out of town.

    The placement of each instrument is slightly more precise with HD800s.

    I will prefer playing HD800S to Zeus IEM at home.

    The last one to compare is Stax 009S driven by KGSSV Carbon amplifier.

    HD 800S gave wider and deeper soundstage than Stax 009S with more precise focus.

    But Stax 009S give more musical sound with nuanced details, nice decay , more bass slam and texture.

    HD800S give very tight and fast bass but not matching the authority of Stax 009s.

    It bass sound like one note without texture.

    The conclusion is that it is fun to listen to HD800S driven by Chord Dave and Mscaler with sharp focus, wide and deep soundstage and tight and fast bass.

    But HD800S falls short of either Stax 009s or my 2 channel system in musicality.

    I will keep HD800S for at least one year to enjoy its precise imaging.

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