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Discussion in 'High-end Audio Forum' started by magiccabbage, May 14, 2015.
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  1. Whazzzup
    I went alpha on gsx mk2, splendid.
  2. Torq
    No doubt.

    That didn't seem to be an option at the time, nor is it now (at least according to the options available on the website). I don't know if Justin can/do/does that as some kind of special/custom order, just that the DACT stepped attenuator is now standard. That might be moot for other people anyway. And is water under the bridge for me at this point.
  3. iDesign
    I'm not aware of any members of Head-Fi that purchased the dCS Bartók thus far. I assumed that we would have seen some comparisons to the DAVE since it includes a headphone amplifier and a similar price of admission. I do find its network connectivity options are somewhat compelling if they work well and provide a good isolated path. However, I would still pick the DAVE for a number of reasons including its smaller footprint.
    Last edited: Feb 4, 2019
  4. musicday
    Dave and Blu MK2 are on eBay both on black if anyone interested :) not mine trough.
  5. Foxman50
    I have compared Rossini DAC/world clock against HMS/DAVE. I found the dCs to be fatiguing and overly bright.

    These were fed directly into a set of ATC active 50’s via balanced o/p’s.

    Only difference was the Chord set was fed from an Aurender N10, whereas the dCs pulled straight from NAS.

    I was disappointed by the dCs but maybe this was more down to system synergy.
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  6. audio_1
    The dCS philosophy is to sell multiple boxes. A low accuracy clock is fitted to the DAC so that you will have to purchase a higher accuracy master clock. The single ended outputs use op-amps. High inductance ribbon cables connect the analogue outputs and digital inputs to the circuit boards. Dual AES cables connect the multiple boxes. A fully configured Vivaldi system could have 5 AES digital cables and 5 master clock cables. Imagine the number of ferrites required to prevent RF noise. The digital volume control kills dynamics if more than 20 dB of attenuation is applied. Need I go on, the Dave, Blu 2 or Hugo M-Scaler are in a totally different class.
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  7. naynay
    Class it is, just listening to my newly owned Dave :smile_phones:
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  8. naynay
    Other than using power off on the remote is there a button on the unit that will do the same?
    Thank you
    Last edited: Feb 6, 2019
  9. ecwl
    While I agree with most of the gist of what you're saying, I have to admit I really don't think dCS is intentionally including a low accuracy clock into their DACs and then upselling their products with a higher accuracy master clock. My understanding, based on Rob Watt's explanation, is that all DAC designs (except for Chord's Pulse Array DACs) are very jitter sensitive which means that they would always perform better if paired with a higher accuracy master clock. By comparison, with the Chord's Pulse Array DACs, because the DAC design is not jitter sensitive (or significantly dramatically less so than other DAC designs), an excellent master clock is sufficient to eliminate jitter-related effects, obviating the need for thousands of dollars of external clocking.
  10. Sunya
    If a DAC sounds better slaved to an external clock than on its internal one (even if the external clock has better specs) something is wrong with it. dCS (and Esoteric) DACs have Word Clock outputs which allows them to be the Master Clock for the source sending the digital signal (like in Asynchronous USB mode); but why lose the chance of selling another useless box to ignorant audiophiles?

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  11. GryphonGuy
    In the old days, say the early "naughties" of the 21st century, digital signals were sent realtime (remember the Slim Devices Transporter and similar devices?) and an external clock sending timing signals to both the Slim Devices Transporter and my Metronome Signature DAC ENORMOUSLY changed the signal to be time-aligned etc. Jump forward to when the Metronome died and could not be repaired by even the Factory in France, the Chord DAVE does not need an external clock because it time-aligns the digital signal within itself. With DAVE and Sonore UltraRendu powered by Uptone LPS-1.2, the current sound of my system has never been better and I don't feel the need (yet!!) to improve the music produced by this current system.

    If a top-of-line multi-box DAC system sounds bright even when synchronised by an external clock, it points to electrical noise and probably the old real-time transmission technology that industry leaders have abandoned long ago or indeed never implemented in the first place.

    Just my opinions.
  12. Foxman50
    The dCs world clock made very little difference and was debatable if it actually made an improvement or just altered the sound.
  13. musickid
    It alters the sound and the time zone you listen in by transporting you back....back to a time when Brachiosaurus chewed leaves. (expensive audio components that make zero difference to the sound quality one hears.... oh my.)
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  14. naynay
    Currently using SSD drive attached to Aries Femto USB for my music storage for dave what are others using for there music as i feel this setup could be improved?
  15. Triode User
    I use the Innuos Zenith SE running Roon and set up to to play from RAM under the new release of the Innuos firmware. It is excellent. I also have Roon set up to stream from the Zenith to various other Roon endpoints around the house such as a Chromecast outputting optical in the kitchen system.
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