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Discussion in 'High-end Audio Forum' started by magiccabbage, May 14, 2015.
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  1. smodtactical
    Considering the terminator is about 1/3 the price or less, its impressive it turns out to be true.
  2. hieukm
    You must be kidding. My Chord Dave is immune to Source, power cable and USB cable. Its eliteness overshadow digital source relevance (according to a elite cable maker)

    Whats this non-sense that the top DAC need a separate PSU?
  3. rayl
    I’ve been looking for an honest msb select 2 vs mscaler/dave comparison for ages. I don’t know that I would trust this impressions post... ~100k Usd vs ~18k usd. I’ve become an R2R skeptic but never heard the msb. Not even their 20k usd model which is more price aligned.
  4. ecwl
    I personally prefer Utopia over Clear. I’ve read reviews criticizing that Utopia has a slight 6kHz peak and that Clear is more natural. However, Utopia has better transients, dynamics, clarity and transparency.
    But since the question was Clear vs Aeon Flow Open vs HD650, I answered Clear >Aeon>HD650. Moreover, if the person hasn’t listened to the HD650 much, I think Utopia would be quite a splurge for rarely used headphones.
    I also don’t use my headphones that often. Clear didn’t exist when I got Utopia. If I don’t own the Utopia now, I’m not sure if I wouldn’t just get the Clear instead and save myself some money, even knowing I prefer Utopia.
  5. hieukm
    Be careful of what you are in doubting. Chord comrades cant tolerate a member who is in doubt.
  6. xxx1313
    I agree, there is a special synergy between DAVE and the best Focal headphones, especially Utopia. HD800(S) has absolutely no chance in this setup. Clear is no slouch either, the best headphone at its price range, imo. While I still prefer Utopia by some margin (faster, even better resolution), Clear is a great headphone too, without any material weaknesses, and it offers a slighly larger soundstage than Utopia. So you might even prefer Clear (over Utopia) for listening to classical music (maybe also for Jazz, but probably not for other music genres, imo). You cannot go much wrong with Clear, imo.
    Last edited: Sep 9, 2018
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  7. Thenewguy007
    I doubt this would be true.
    A few of the impressions of the Terminator said bass was emphasized & it had a slightly dark signature.
    I also got the impressions that the soundstage was very average as well.

    Just from that, I don't think it would touch the Dave.
  8. theveterans
    If you read that thread, anything delta sigma and anything non discrete r2r would be considered inferior to their exotic DACs. I wouldn’t really consider that as an objective matter
  9. smodtactical
    Ok well just curious if anyone hear has heard both and if they can comment.
  10. smodtactical
    Can you link to where people said it had average soundstage ?
  11. timeslip

    Aaaah ok, totally makes sense. I just misunderstood and probably read your response out of context. I’m not one that loves headphones (sweaty ears, feeling of the band on my head). But the utopia has been the first headphone that I absolutely love and use it exclusively at home. It’s what convinced me to go splurge on the Dave too.
  12. Thenewguy007
    I remember a few impressions saying the soundstage equals the Yggdrasil, which imo was very average.
  13. smodtactical
    Ok fair.
  14. smodtactical
    Anyone compare DAVE to R2R 7HE ?
  15. tunes
    I think number one on that list costs a mere $89,000.
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