groucho69
Headphoneus Supremus
Welcome to headfi I do not have either of those but others probably do and can answer. Meanwhile, explore the site. You can do searches for reviews and you can search within this thread to see if these have been discussed on earlier pages. Or, just go to page 1 and read the entire thread! Of course if you do that you are in danger of adding more and more headphones to your list of wants.
Danger????