CD analog or digital for Naim Uniti Atom
Oct 13, 2019 at 10:32 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 14

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I have a Naim Uniti Atom which I love. I want to add a CD player (don't tell me I should switch to the Star). Some CD players have a built-in DAC, providing options for analog or digital out but some only have analog OR digital outs.

Can anyone comment on the Atom digital vs analog inputs for CD?

In general, any recommendations for using an internal or external DAC for the Pro-ject DS2 T or NAD C546BEE?

Thanks,
John
 
Oct 13, 2019 at 11:20 AM Post #2 of 14
I have a Naim Uniti Atom which I love. I want to add a CD player (don't tell me I should switch to the Star). Some CD players have a built-in DAC, providing options for analog or digital out but some only have analog OR digital outs.

Can anyone comment on the Atom digital vs analog inputs for CD?

In general, any recommendations for using an internal or external DAC for the Pro-ject DS2 T or NAD C546BEE?

Why not just try both digital and analogue on either CDP you can try at a store or return for a minimal fee in case you don't like either?

Also...what were you using with the Uniti before? If you've been using its digital input then practically any other device playing the same recording/mastering at the same resolution would be identical, barring one device doing upsampling etc (which tends to add inaudible ultrasonic noise that alters the overall sound due to how it affects driver movement) like if you were previously using a computer.
 
Oct 13, 2019 at 11:39 AM Post #3 of 14
I have a Naim Uniti Atom which I love. I want to add a CD player (don't tell me I should switch to the Star). Some CD players have a built-in DAC, providing options for analog or digital out but some only have analog OR digital outs.
Can anyone comment on the Atom digital vs analog inputs for CD?
In general, any recommendations for using an internal or external DAC for the Pro-ject DS2 T or NAD C546BEE?
Thanks, John
For the price of the Naim Uniti Atom, I would expect to have a really nice built in DAC function.
So i vote you use a digital connection, between the CD player and the Uniti Atom.

When an audio signal is analog, that is where noise and distortion can get into the audio signal.
So it's a benefit to keep the audio signal as digital, for as long as possible.

As long as your using a digital connection, you really do not need to spend a lot for the CD player.
 
Oct 13, 2019 at 11:26 PM Post #4 of 14
Why not just try both digital and analogue on either CDP you can try at a store or return for a minimal fee in case you don't like either?

Also...what were you using with the Uniti before? If you've been using its digital input then practically any other device playing the same recording/mastering at the same resolution would be identical, barring one device doing upsampling etc (which tends to add inaudible ultrasonic noise that alters the overall sound due to how it affects driver movement) like if you were previously using a computer.

Good point on auditioning multiple devices. Finding all the gear I love to audition seems to never happen in NYC but I can burn a little cash on return shipping, I guess.

In the few short weeks I have had the Uniti Atom, I have only been using Tidal and Spotify. I have yet to add CD or turntable, but will have news on those soon.
 
Oct 13, 2019 at 11:34 PM Post #5 of 14
For the price of the Naim Uniti Atom, I would expect to have a really nice built in DAC function.
So i vote you use a digital connection, between the CD player and the Uniti Atom.

When an audio signal is analog, that is where noise and distortion can get into the audio signal.
So it's a benefit to keep the audio signal as digital, for as long as possible.

As long as your using a digital connection, you really do not need to spend a lot for the CD player.

I have high expectations of the Uniti Atom DAC too. I was just wondering if anyone had opinions about the DACs in those CD players vs the one in the Atom. My money is on the Atom.

Honestly, I really do not understand that wide cost variance in various CD players unless it's all about the DAC.

I will report my findings once I have done some testing with a few units.
 
Oct 14, 2019 at 12:23 AM Post #6 of 14
Honestly, I really do not understand that wide cost variance in various CD players unless it's all about the DAC.

In some cases like Wadia (at least back when they were still making CDPs anyway) and such much of the money was more on the rest of the hardware as these are giant, overbuilt CDPs or CD transports (whole unit but only has digital output). In some cases even use CD transports (just the mechanical subsystem that spins and reads the disc) that Sony etc does not make at high enough volume (ie they're not even the bare units used in, say, high end car receivers or stock receivers in some luxury cars) such that Sony etc sells them to the hifi manufacturers per unit at that volume level being equal to the price of an entry level hi fi CDP (that said, some like Arcam, IIRC, even used a DVD-P that was otherwise available in some 5.25in computer drive bay DVD reader).

Regardless of the price of the CD transport subystem, manufacturers build an overbuilt chassis around them to protect against their own vibrations and all the soundwaves that very large, high end speakers ie the kind that people blowing $5,000 on just a CD transport would likely buy, leaving as little as possible for the error correction of the transport to the point that even a Rolls Royce Phantom's (ie the car with the most ridiculously overbuilt suspension system for managing road irregularities as to prevent champagne from spilling as you drive over a gravel path) CD receiver would be almost like a WalMart DVD player next to it.

And then there are the secondary costs. Heck if you're making a heavy AF transport or CDP that you'll get charged for, heck, might as well build it into a heavy milled aluminum chassis that adds much of the weight for stability (on top of the dampening on how the transport is coupled to that chassis) as well as making it look the part of what money you pay for it (like speakers that get a cabinet with reinforcement and finish worthy of a grand piano, or how when you buy a handmade knife made entirely by at most two to three guys each you get a real hardwood handle with a smooth finish that even fits into a steel ferrule instead of a molded wood pulp handle). But by that point the CDP or transport unit is already expensive, but being this large and heavy, now you have to put it in packing material that would prevent any damage from shipping, which is more expensive (some even arrive on a crate; I heard of a guy who had his power amps delivered at his home in Manila by the guy who designed them and carried them as airline baggage himself, and one other guy who had to call in his friends to get a crated Krell amplifier up to his audio room) on its own, then add how much they ship due to weight and how you can fit only a few of these in each container, plus dealers that have to have a healthy profit margin both for the low volume as well as to cover employees' insurance when handling such heavy equipment.

It's basically the same thing with those huge TTs, especially the ones that come with three tall, mass-loaded legs that not only keep them stable but keep the user from setting them on a glass top that might break or bending down too far every time they have to swap out the vinyl.

Personally, you can avoid the vibration issue that makes any heavy mechanical equipment (and not even that heavy) by just not using mechanical parts. Like a smartphone or DAP with an SD card. Or a miniPC with a low voltage, low power, passively cooled CPU with SSDs.
 
Oct 21, 2019 at 12:00 PM Post #7 of 14
I connected my Naim Uniti Atom to an old pair of B&W DM601 S2 speakers. I tested 3 CD players:
NAD C 538
NAD C 568
Cambridge Audio CXC

Both NADs support digital coax and analog. The CXC only supports digital coax. I tested all possible combinations. To my ears, they were identical in my room. I tried multiple CDs including classical, rock, and jazz.

For this system, I selected the CXC since the form factor was perfect. Otherwise, the 538 was the cheapest, so I would have taken that.
 
Nov 5, 2019 at 10:08 PM Post #9 of 14
Yes. The DAC takes coax or optical input. There are RCA pre-outs you can use for your amp. I haven't used them so I don't know the levels, but I assume line.

Also, the Atom has a HP amp with a 1/4" out. I have not tested it.
 
Nov 5, 2019 at 10:52 PM Post #10 of 14
I think I am going to pull the trigger on them. RCA pre out to Mogwai tube amps.and have nothing connected to the speaker terminals, this will then bypass the amplification and send the feed out of the 'pre-amp output'.
 
Nov 21, 2019 at 12:41 AM Post #12 of 14
That's a bummer.

Unfortunately, I'm not where my Atom is at the moment, so I cannot look at mine. I assume it's a standard power cord which you can get at Radio Shack, Best Buy, or at any AV or computer store. However, I would call Naim or a Naim dealer and ask for a replacement cord. Also, look at the power connector on your Atom carefully. If there's a voltage switch, be sure to change it to your voltage (110/120 vs 220/240).
 
Nov 21, 2019 at 2:36 AM Post #13 of 14
Says 115 v ,240 v etc etc
 

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