Cayin iDAP-6 - versatile new desktop transport

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  1. Andykong
    Can you tell me the model/detail/OS version of iOS device that you are using? I know you are using an iPHone 6, I need the detail to file a instance report on iOS HiByLink
     
    Last edited: Dec 12, 2017
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  2. piorasz
    I bought iDAP-6 because I believed in a well-growing company. I already had the opportunity to test several Cayin products. Mainly they were amplifiers.
    Observing what is happening with iDAP-6, I would like to ask the question if the people responsible for the development of iDAP-6 is the same team?
    So far, I see a nice joke here !!! Maybe it is worth thinking about transferring this device to real engineers?
     
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  3. project86 Contributor

    Wow, do you communicate with people as part of your job? Hopefully not.... perhaps it's just the language barrier, but the tone you display here is incredibly rude - especially considering the Cayin representative actively seeking to help in this very thread. That's certainly not always the case for all manufacturers.

    Look, a headphone amp or speaker amp doesn't require anything like the complexity of the iDAP-6. No networking, no user interface, etc. It just amplifies the signal it receives, and controls volume. Done. To make the comparison is absurd on your part.

    Yes, there are some things being worked out with the iDAP-6. The more we point out issues, the faster Cayin can squash these bugs. It happens with giants like Apple and Google, and it happens in our little corner of the audio world too. I fail to see any benefit in being snarky about it.
     
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  4. piorasz
    Do you want to know the honest truth about what I think about it? Instead of focusing on repairing reported errors comes a new firmware (1.2) that is expected to increase sales? The new firmware will not satisfy the current owners of iDAP-6 and only plunges people responsible for the development of iDAP-6.
    Please do not take this as a personal attack. My opinion refers only to the imperfect device which is iDAP-6 and to people connected with this project. If you are one of them, I am truly sorry.
     
  5. project86 Contributor
    Sorry, still not quite sure what you're trying to say. But having the remote control app only available for one segment of users (Android) and not the other huge segment (iOS) seems like a pretty obvious thing to work on right?

    Trust me - Aurender went for YEARS with iOS support only, while Android was always "coming soon". It eventually showed up, in far more simplified form than the "real" app, and people were still happy to get something rather than nothing.

    Personally, I have zero issues with the iDAP-6 - when used as a local playback device. I really think that is the core functionality of the thing. But yes, other features were advertised and need to be brought up to fully-functioning status. And that's what is being worked on right now, no?

    My only connection with the project is as reviewer and user - same as my connection with hundreds of other devices over the years. I'm just saying your approach is about the least constructive it could possibly be.
     
  6. piorasz

    If I did not buy this device, I would get it home for testing, we could constructively discuss it. Meanwhile, it is as it is. As the owner of iDAP-6, I will continue to closely monitor the development of iDAP-6. I will be happy to participate in its further development. But give us something we are waiting for. Fix something that we reported. I wish you success with all my heart. Try a little more.
     
  7. burdie
    Sorry, i am not using Iphone 6, but using older Ipad which still runnig good.
    The model is Ipad 4 A1460, model MD527ZP/A running on ios 10.3.3

    By the way, this firmware 1.2 did partially fix one of the problem I faced before, i.e. to give interruption to the DST iso. Why I said partially fix? Previously I need to wait for IDAP-6 to 'failed play' on all tracks inside the DST iso, now each single press on 'Back' button will in fact 'advance' to next DST track. for example, from each DST to DST tracks took about 2 seconds, now keep pressing the 'Back' button will fast skip to next track within a second... Good improvement but just don't know the 'Back' switch can survive how many presses, better let it automatically 'failed play' the whole iso tracks and wait for future firmware.
     
  8. burdie
    Agreed with you on Aurender, even Auralic also issued ios remote app only, marketing strategy i would said. For Cayin/Hiby to work on android app most probably is Google is more lenience on app approval, and easier to compile(?) or more android user in China...
    Either ios/android app won't provice access to NAS file at the moment, so using a local HDD is better not only on accessing the whole music library, but also reduce potential signal lost over the netwrok.
     
  9. piorasz
    For me, it does not matter if it works with iOS or Android. It is important that it works without errors and performs functionally.
     
  10. Andykong
    Headfonics has published a very detail review on Cayin iDAP-6. This is the first public review of our desktop digital transport and network player and Marcus has explained the function, strength and limitation of iDAP-6 in great detail:

    https://headfonics.com/2017/12/cayin-idap-6-review/
     
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  11. HK_sends
    This is exactly what I am looking for! A desktop transport to feed my Schiit Gungnir DAC/Mjolnir 2 Amp and LCD-4 cans! Plus the added flexibility to support playback from network and local sources. If I can find a place to purchase it (looking at MusicTeck right now), I may have to have a Christmas present for myself!

    Thanks Cayin!

    Cheers and all the Best!:beerchug:
    -HK sends
     
  12. Mr.Jones
    I can't confirm what we read in this article Headfonics, I try use this unit 5 days and it not woks as manufacturer make advertisment.
    Around 70% of this review we can read how good materials are used or how good it is with another 'desktop' units from Cain .... problem with WIFi s no problem because most users have 'standard wireless network' ?! But I have 'standard wired network' and had problems too.
    Bubble UPnP works as good as we read here on form (no gapless), last week I spoke with German office and they told me - no units in Germany till January when firmware will be better and all will works (maybe later ...).

    I don't want be beta tester if I pay full amount of price, which want European distributor.
     
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  13. HK_sends
    Geez, you guys must have never owned or tried FiiO. The hardware is excellent and if you are patient enough, the firmware catches up and can even exceed advertised capabilities. If this was Cayin's third or fourth desktop transport, I'd say you may have valid complaints that everything isn't working out of the gate. But this is Cayin's first transport, and it sure ain't the same as cranking out a portable DAP. They are working hard to address the issues and will get better in time. Then their future products can take advantage of the lessons learned and offer even more functionality.

    It wasn't that long ago that the desktop transport that I bought couldn't even do gapless for local files and when I tried to contact the engineers, they couldn't understand the concept of "gapless". My, how the times have changed. Oh yeah, before anyone gets their hackles up over compatibility, remember how long it took the PC world to adopt standards for all components to work without conflict? A**le only bypassed the problem by forcing a single proprietary architecture.

    But I digress...

    I look forward to seeing the iDAP-6 develop!

    Cheers!:beerchug:
    -HK sends
     
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  14. Mr.Jones
    @HK_sends : you have right, but after this time we will have on market better hardware and iDAP-6 prices will go down.
    This is first Cayan desktop transport and I think this is not in-house development but ODM product and this is main reason why they can't quick add for example few lines of code to firmware with network settings ;(
    I have big lessons with Chinese AMOI and our OEM DVD player with DLNA function from them.
     
  15. HK_sends
    They have to start somewhere...:wink:
    I hope the prices do go down! And the number of choices (companies producing and model types) goes up.
    When portable DAP availability and competition exploded, it drove the prices down and the features and quality up.
    It's about time the desktop transports did the same...
    Competition breeds improvement and will benefit us all!:grin:

    Cheers and All the Best!:beerchug:
    -HK sends
     
    Last edited: Dec 17, 2017
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