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Cayin i5 Lossless Android DAP with AKM4490 DAC supporting 32/384 PCM + 64/128 DSD

Discussion in 'Portable Source Gear' started by nmatheis, Mar 21, 2016.
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  1. Farsh
    Thousands of customers holding their breath . Everyone is waiting for new firmware , at least a little fixed with the new version of Hiby where there is Hiby link . Hope dies last !
  2. JaeYoon
    No there will not be one unfortunately.

    Andy mentioned the ICU support company leadcore pulled out of mobile chip support.

    Cayin's engineers need this badly in order to make changes.

    Cayin N3 has support because Ingenic Solutions has provided a lot of the code and necessities that are required for Cayin's engineers to provide updates to you all.

    As @Andykong mentioned. It takes forever without the ICU support to implement any changes because the hardcoding is all known by the semiconductor support company.
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  3. bluedolphin
    I think i have found what causes the Slowdown (2 minutes) conecting my new Cayin i5 to PC
    (It take 1 minute on another pc so is not pc, all my other audio devices and mobiles take 10 seconds to conect to pc)

    Conecting Cayin i5 by Mtp it conect 20 seconds but is slow to browse inside music folder
    on pc which not happen on other audiodevices

    Today cayin i5 disconected by itself while transfering song
    move the cable a bit and it conected.

    This is the problem, is the Usb cable that Came with Cayin i5
    it came like that new in box , Cable can have a bad conector.
    I want to get a new Cayin i5 cable, i need it to make my new cayin i5 work good.
    I dont have any other cable that work with Cayin i5.

    The cable is in bad shape, but work at the moment, everything is slow and the cable is bad.
    When can i get a new cable?

    Thank you
  4. Creeepy

    One question.
    Why does the company not report this officially on their website ?! If they had been officially informed about this, I would have bought the newest FiiO model instead of the unpromising Cayin I5 with a bunch of errors in the HiBy player. Just a disregard for potential customers...
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  5. smy1
    So basically we’re screwed
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  6. JaeYoon
    Yes that's correct. :p

    Well screwed hard. Cause if something severe happens. No fix is possible
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  7. Andykong
    Thank you very much for the explanation. The sad Leadcore experience lead to a more conservative approach in selecting MCU for our next Android DAP, but apparently that some users didn't approve our decision.


    We'll work with Neutron and hopefully we can get their support and be able to bypass SRC when using Neutron in i5, that should solve a few problems.
    Last edited: Oct 21, 2017
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  8. Andykong
    Do you suggest we publish a bug list on our website? Maybe we are a little bit conservative in our approach, but I'll glad to learn from other vendors who has published their bug list as you have suggested.
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  9. Andykong
    Yes, if something new coming up that is related to the system level, our hands are tied, that I agreed and admitted.

    The i5 had had several firmware upgrades before we get screwed by Leadcore, there are "strange" issues left behinds but we did heard our users and corrected a lot of critical bugs in the first 8 months after the i5 launch. I hope we could do better, but are we the worst or the inconsiderate? Maybe our mistakes is not coming out with a new DAP to replace the i5 quickly so that users will forget about i5 after a while because I do notice this pattern with several brand/models, people are excited about new products and forget about the "historical" model quickly.
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  10. nmatheis Contributor
    Why are we "screwed hard"? If there was "something severe", I think we'd know it by now and it's not like there are going to be any new firmware updates to introduce such severe bugs. No?
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  11. JaeYoon
    Creeepy mentioned in their post above the issues they have with the stock hiby player. No 3rd party app just the included player.

    I found cayin i5 laggying really bad on the visualization/EQ options on neutron so I didn't bother using neutron, already at it's limit. But that's not really cayin's fault I guess. So kinda stuck on hiby.
  12. Andykong
    Well, I don't avoid the issue, it is OUR problem because i5 is jointly developed by Cayin and HiBy Music.


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  13. nmatheis Contributor
    I'm not having the issues @Creeepy is having, though. Are you?

    And regarding third-party apps, none of these DAPs have real smartphone CPU/GPU SoC so none of the third-party apps are properly optimized to run on them. I don't even bother because I've experienced issues with stuttering during playback. IMHO, it's best to stick with the stock Hiby player.
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  14. Brooko Contributor
    Just for ref - I have the i5 with me at the moment, and I'm not experiencing the same issues others are talking about. I've been using both Hiby and also Neutron interface, and its pretty good for an older version of Android. Its also been very stable for my uses, and honestly if its working well, I'm not expecting updates for the sake of updating.

    JaeYoon - what exact issues are you having with your i5, and why would you comment about being "screwed hard"? I'm simply not experiencing what you are .......
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  15. JaeYoon
    I guess nobody really really paid attention sigh. Only andykong noticed.

    This is not cayins fault!! Again I will repost what I posted from above.

    There are some features will not be able to finish such as gapless playback. But there are other daps that cannot do this either.

    My god...You guys are acting as if I dislike cayin. I have been discussing via pm since last week with andy about n5ii. I definitely will support that player.

    I was only trying to help andykong avoid having to repeat what he said long ago. I guess here on headfi posting potentially negative experience you will be beaten by a mob here too.

    Warning to all. If you have any minor issue with cayin. Do not post in this thread and post on reddit or somewhere. Or you will end up like me.
    My post above was directed towards smy1's question of why there isn't a new update coming soon! Not a rant!
    Last edited: Oct 21, 2017
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