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Cayin i5 Lossless Android DAP with AKM4490 DAC supporting 32/384 PCM + 64/128 DSD

Discussion in 'Portable Source Gear' started by nmatheis, Mar 21, 2016.
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  1. Numpsy
    It is very nice though :)

    Just got a new leather case for mine, pretty nice:


    I don't use Tidal and such so I don't run into the problems with that, and don't use the bluetooth much with it (have a Shanling M1 and other devices that i use that more often with wireless earphones). Would be nice if the blutooth playback controls worked better with the hiby player, but as I can use other players on occasions i need to it's not as much of a problem. Other than that, it does what I need and sounds nice, so :)
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  2. JaeYoon
    Me too!!! I just enjoy stock player.
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  3. bluedolphin
    Got this answer from Dignis when i contacted them if they could make a leather case for Cayin i5

    Thank you for contacting our company.

    Unfortunately, we have no production plan for Cayin i5 case yet. and we don't have a custom service.
    If you have any other concerns or questions, please feel free to contact us at anytime.
    Thank you for taking your time to contact us. We are always glad to assist you.

    Best regards,
  4. JaeYoon
    Has anyone noticed that cool animation on the screen where you turn off Cayin i5 screen, it looks like those old CRT TVs that have their image evaporate into the singularity in center of screen when you turn it off.
  5. Andykong
    Can you locate the downloaded file in the internal storage? I want to make sure it goes to the 32G data drive instead of storing as hidden file on the 4G system storage.

    For the 1GB data you have donwloaded so far, can you play any songs successfully? It not, can you create a playlist with only 3-4 songs, well within 1GB so you can download that from Google music to the player, and check out whether you play these songs?
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  6. Andykong
    i5 has 4+32GB internal memory, the 4GB are designated for System usage, users are not suppose to access them. The 32GB are designated for data, and data include Music, android user files, application files etc etc. Therefore you can pack the 32GB internal storage with music file (only around 29GB available), but if you plan to install third party applications, you might need to set aside some storage space for the Application.
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  7. Vitalii
    Good afternoon.
    How things are with usb dac on the firmware v2.0, 2.2. On Windows 10 there is a problem with the lag of sound when watching a movie?
  8. Andykong
    This will be, and should be. i5 USB DAC is operated at asynchronous mode, this is the best sounding DAC decoding scheme and is the defacto standard in USB Audio application right now. Asynchronous USB DAC required a buffer to hold the data before feeding into the signal conversion routine, it is purposively "out-of-sync" with the source bit-streaming, and this buffer will definitely cause delay in audio output with reference to the video signal.

    This is not a bug or problem, this is a correct implementation when we put audio performance at top priority.
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  9. Vitalii
    And I and many users think otherwise. Since if there was no buffer and there was no delay in the sound, this would be a more correct implementation of the sound in the video material.
    And this causes a certain inconvenience about watching a video with good sound quality from a PC. Fiio x5 III in this plan a step ahead.....
  10. JaeYoon
    :thinking: let me ask you this though, what firmware version are you using.
    Cause last I read it wasn't even functional in x5iii 1.1.6 and fiio said it was their priority to fix it.
  11. Vitalii
    JaeYoon I have on my hands now no longer this player. But on all the firmware that I tried 1.1.4, 1.1.5, 1.1.6 it was implemented well. At least I felt no noticeable delays.
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  12. JaeYoon
    There are minimal delays if you install Cayin USB driver and select minimal latency.
  13. Vitalii
    Ok. Thank you, I will try.
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  14. JaeYoon
    I totally understand it, I hear the delays too in normal USB DAC mode.
    For me it's reduce with minimal latency mode.
  15. Andykong
    Sorry, can't comment on other brand, but Cayin has stated in our product specification that we used Asynchronized USB Audio 2.0 Class for our USB DAC. The word "Asynchronized" has indicated the the source and the DAC are NOT synchronized, changing from synchronized USB Audio to Asynchronized USB Audio is a game changer in modern CAS (Computer as Source) application, it reduces jitter significantly and improved the audio performance to a whole new level. We have discussed this topic previously, maybe our previous discussion can help us clarify the issue.


    Thanks for helping out, sincerely appreciated.:beerchug:

    The minimal latency setting will change the buffer size, reduce the delay slightly on the expense of slightly higher jitter, but the delay is still noticeable, kind of OK for youtube viewing, a bit tough for music video and probably not acceptable for game player.

    And the most unfortunate issue about the USB Audio driver is potential compatibility problem with recent MS Windows update. As MS is about to embed their long overdue USB Audio Class 2.0 support into Windows10, they changed their USB Audio Class support from Version 1607 of Windows 10, and causing a lot of existing USB device driver to fail suddenly. We are keeping a close eye to the development and once the dust has settled, we'll revise our USB driver immediately.
    Last edited: Aug 9, 2017
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