Can Zhaolu's Discrete Amp drive AKG701

May 13, 2006 at 12:05 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 13

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I am planning to get a pair of AKG 701 and the Zhaolu..
Wondering if Zhaolu will do a competent job of amping the AKGs...
whether the discrete upgrade will make much of a diff...

anyone tried it?

EDIT: I'm connecting with TBAAM, i hope TBAAM's optical won't let me down..
pretty excited with the AKG 701 + Zhaolu purchase, since my existing setup is Senn HD555 + the TBAAM
 
May 13, 2006 at 3:46 PM Post #2 of 13
I'm interested in this as well. As you can see here, bizkid is powering his K 701 with his Zhalou D2 (AD1852) and it seems it sounds very good. He says he's getting the discrete headphone amp upgrade when it comes out so I think I can wait for his impressions before getting mine. If anyone else who has recieved his Zhalou (or owns a Zhalou 1.3 with the headphone amp upgrade) has tried it with a K 701, please let us know. BTW, I'll connect the Zhalou to an M-AUDIO Transit to use it with my computer.
 
May 13, 2006 at 6:52 PM Post #3 of 13
I posted comments about a week ago in the huge Zhaolu thread about a mini meet I was at where I finally got to try other cans with the Zhaolu discrete amp other than my HF-1's. The K701 was one can I got to try with the amp but unfortunately I have to admit I wasn't grooving on the 701's very much and so I wasn't paying enough attention to really get a good feel on how the amp did with them. I think I would need to spend more time with the 701's to really get to know them but to me regardless of what amp I used that night they seemed light in the bass and kind of brighter on top and somewhat bland overall to me. I know I would be in the minority saying that but again I think I would have to spend more time with them. All that said, the Zhaolu definitely drove them, I never got any sense that the discrete amp wasn't able to drive them. I just didn't have the 701's on my head enough that night to really make a good judgement call for you guys. As I said in that other post it was able to drive the HD650's fairly well but it seemed that with my HF-1's it was right at home. I'm not saying that just because they are main cans, everyone agreed the HF-1/Zhaolu amp pairing was excellent. The HD650's have such a high impedance and create such voltage swings that they are a tough one to drive optimally and my feeling is the Zhaolu amp, in some ways like the Gilmore's, puts out major current (what Grado's like) but aren't aimed at driving the likes of Senn's as well as other amps that are clearly designed to drive the likes of an HD650. The Corda Aria was a great pairing with the 650, I know Jan Meier designs his amps to deal with the HD650's. On the other hand I felt the Aria was only very good but not excellent with my HF-1. If I cranked on the Zhaolu driving the HD650's they didn't seem to miss much in driving them, the bass was all there and it sounded nice. At lower volumes it seemed that you could tell the Zhaolu amp maybe lacked just a bit in totally controlling the bass of the HD650 but wasn't anything that would make you scowl by any means of course.

Many say the 701's are tough to drive being way inefficient and lower impedance. I do remember feeling that an amp that tended to color things toward the bass and warmth worked best with the 701 (Corda Aria/Mapletree Purist tube amp). The Zhaolu discrete is much more like a Gilmore in my view, neutral tones, powerful, dynamic and very clear (yet full).

Anyways, hope this might help.
 
May 13, 2006 at 7:01 PM Post #4 of 13
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Originally Posted by hyamaiata
I'm interested in this as well. As you can see here, bizkid is powering his K 701 with his Zhalou D2 (AD1852) and it seems it sounds very good. He says he's getting the discrete headphone amp upgrade when it comes out so I think I can wait for his impressions before getting mine. If anyone else who has recieved his Zhalou (or owns a Zhalou 1.3 with the headphone amp upgrade) has tried it with a K 701, please let us know. BTW, I'll connect the Zhalou to an M-AUDIO Transit to use it with my computer.


Though there is a problem with slight sibliance which i dont get on my speakers, so i guess its the headphone amp. It sounds good but its hard to say how much better it could sound without having anything better to amp it with. I didnt hear the K701 properly amped yet!
 
May 14, 2006 at 2:44 PM Post #6 of 13
BTW, what is a discrete amp?

I know there are solid state and tube amps. Is discrete another way of saying solid state (since I doubt the Zhaolu is tube based), or does it refer to yet something else?
 
May 14, 2006 at 5:22 PM Post #7 of 13
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Originally Posted by TooNice
BTW, what is a discrete amp?

I know there are solid state and tube amps. Is discrete another way of saying solid state (since I doubt the Zhaolu is tube based), or does it refer to yet something else?



I'm no expert in circuitry by any means. We're talking all solid state here. Are you familiar with opamps (Operational Amplifiers)? Assuming you are, basically opamps are integrated circuits that are used many times in place of a complex circuit design in a general sense usually consisting of series of resistors and capacitors to perform a function or task in the circuit. Integrated Circuits (Op Amps) are space saving and cheap and many argue they don't sound as good as a discrete circuit. The stock headphone amp that comes with the Zhaolu has two opamps in it's circuit. The upgraded Zhaolu headphone amp module is a discrete design, no opamps are used. It's probably a general consensus in this forum that discrete circuitry sounds better than opamps but that's highly debated and I know there are people who would fiercly argue against that. The Zhaolu discrete amp has some vague similarity to the design of the Gilmore Lite and my memory of the Perreaux SHX-1. But for all I know they may be completely different.

It goes beyond headphone amps obviously, for example the analog stage in the Zhaolu's DAC uses opamps in place of discrete circuitry. This is seen in CD players, preamps, amplifiers, etc. Typically the higher end the component you see less usage of opamps and more dedicated discrete circuity.
 
May 14, 2006 at 5:39 PM Post #8 of 13
Thanks Sean for the basic information. Could you (or someone else) please explain the significance of the black gate upgrade for the zhaolu and what difference could be expected in the sound?

Thanks
 
May 14, 2006 at 5:39 PM Post #9 of 13
Ah, I understand. Thanks.

That sounds impressive indeed, if I am not mistaken most portable amps, including those 10 times the cost of the $40 upgrade still use an op-amp solution.
 
May 14, 2006 at 5:42 PM Post #10 of 13
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Originally Posted by Sean H
It's probably a general consensus in this forum that discrete circuitry sounds better than opamps but that's highly debated and I know there are people who would fiercly argue against that. The Zhaolu discrete amp has some vague similarity to the design of the Gilmore Lite and my memory of the Perreaux SHX-1.


I don't like the sound of the headamp Gilmore Lite so it's still all a matter of taste for everyone
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May 14, 2006 at 8:36 PM Post #12 of 13
sean's description if very good and to the point. but yeah, it's all about preference in the end. and everyone's ears are different. just recite lan's signature a couple times a day and you'll keep your sanity
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May 14, 2006 at 9:08 PM Post #13 of 13
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Originally Posted by lan
I don't like the sound of the headamp Gilmore Lite so it's still all a matter of taste for everyone
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True, however I'm not so sure this amp sounds like a Gilmore Lite, it's just the topology seems kind of along the same lines.
 

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