Campfire Dorado 2020
Jan 6, 2021 at 3:06 PM Post #301 of 559

JesusCrew

New Head-Fier
Joined
Feb 15, 2013
Posts
30
Likes
19
Location
Paris
Constructive opinions should always be welcome on a "hobby" forum. I, personally, do enjoy his reviews, even though I do not always agree with him (both my Campfire IEM and Focal headphones are rated C and I like them). I would, on the contrary, be wary of all the sponsored reviews that tend to give 9+/10 to most of the products they receive.

For my part, I ended up buying the Polaris II during Black Friday, which wasn't well rated by Crin, but I still find them OK as a one-trick-pony for electronic music (despite some obvious flaws). Couldn't see myself forking 1200€ for an IEM unfortunately. These price trends are getting ridiculous imho, for all the people that are not "über-audiophiles". I will be much more likely to spend this kind of money in some hi-fi speakers..
 
Jan 6, 2021 at 3:38 PM Post #302 of 559

feverfive

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Feb 17, 2006
Posts
1,687
Likes
1,089
Location
U.S.
Look, it's easy to grasp the phenomena, and if infests all hobbies, not just this one. No one likes to be told that somehing they like is bad. Simple as that. People react in different ways to such opinions. I tend to shrug my shoulders and remain satisfied with my purchase decision. Others....well, may not take it as well. Reviewers/influencers have too much power, and ironically, a lot of it is given by those who disagree with them.
 
Jan 6, 2021 at 4:18 PM Post #303 of 559

mashuto

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Sep 23, 2016
Posts
1,670
Likes
1,835
I hope none of this is directed at me. I disagreed with the review there. I knew it wasn't crinacle, for me I was personally just wondering what his opinions would be. That's the only reason I mentioned him. I do welcome other opinions, and I thought we were just discussing them.

This isn't fun anymore. I think it's time for a break.
 
Jan 6, 2021 at 4:25 PM Post #304 of 559

JesusCrew

New Head-Fier
Joined
Feb 15, 2013
Posts
30
Likes
19
Location
Paris
I hope none of this is directed at me. I disagreed with the review there. I knew it wasn't crinacle, for me I was personally just wondering what his opinions would be. That's the only reason I mentioned him. I do welcome other opinions, and I thought we were just discussing them.

This isn't fun anymore. I think it's time for a break.

Not at all @mashuto, I was responding to OhmsClaws message, which was a bit of a personal attack that doesn't bring anything to the debate :wink:
 
Jan 6, 2021 at 5:53 PM Post #305 of 559

aminus

500+ Head-Fier
Joined
Jul 6, 2019
Posts
583
Likes
1,374
Location
A special place
My oh my, this is what I get for not paying enough attention to this website. Let me address a few things here.

First off, I don't have any sort of real grudge against Campfire beyond a bunch of stupid and tasteless jokes I made about a year ago on a Discord that I'm no longer in. I give them credit where credit is due, and I genuinely liked the Andro 2020 for what it was. Having said this, I do dislike the vast majority of their products on the basis of, well, disliking them. No different from the reason I dislike any other given IEM, and it's certainly not because I'm out to get Campfire or any sort of bizarre conspiracy theory like that. Beyond drawing connections between related products and talking about past endeavors, I really don't care all that much about who makes what IEM. I'm more interested in how the IEM in question stands on its own, and if it does or doesn't, it has nothing to do with who made it.

Secondly, I don't know how much of the stuff directed at Crin was really directed at him and not mistakenly directed at me, but I'll address it too. On the topic of Chifi, I implore anyone here to go check what I think of something like the Illumination or the Clairvoyance, or something like the Oxygen or the BL-03. I don't know where this bizarre IEM race war mentality came from, but I don't like Asian IEMs any more than American ones, and vice versa. It's the same deal with Campfire, this stuff really doesn't matter to me when it comes down to evaluating the actual IEM itself, though of course I talk about it in the context before and after the actual analysis. I find the whole "token white guy thing" especially creepy given it's effectively politicizing and racializing a completely unrelated topic for no apparent reason. Is this stuff really in good taste?

Thirdly, I don't know how many times I've had to stress this, but my writing serves as the highly subjective and completely opinionated reference point of a single person. Never have I paraded my thoughts or musings as objective, and never will I ever pretend that anything I write is even attempting to speak for anyone beyond myself. I really don't mind, and completely expect people to disagree with any given one of my reviews. That's kind of the point. I'm more confused as to why people go so far as to take offence from what is essentially an incredibly drawn out and verbose impression.

Oh yeah, and by the way, none of the stuff I listen to is Asian pop. I've posted my old test tracks before, and the large majority of it is rock and metal. Nowadays almost all my listening is classical. So unless you're telling me Beethoven and Schoenberg are the hottest Kpop idols, I don't know what to tell you.
 
Last edited:
Jan 6, 2021 at 6:00 PM Post #307 of 559

Neweymatt

100+ Head-Fier
Joined
Jun 11, 2020
Posts
287
Likes
308
Location
Newcastle, Australia
I hope none of this is directed at me. I disagreed with the review there. I knew it wasn't crinacle, for me I was personally just wondering what his opinions would be. That's the only reason I mentioned him. I do welcome other opinions, and I thought we were just discussing them.

This isn't fun anymore. I think it's time for a break.
There's a lot of stuff out there on the internet, and it is very useful to understand any preconceptions or bias.

Thanks to you and others for highlighting a few things over the last couple pages of this thread. It's actually quite helpful for me and likely others as well to make properly informed decisions on $1000 luxury items. Grains of salt if you will.
 
Jan 6, 2021 at 6:42 PM Post #308 of 559

mashuto

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Sep 23, 2016
Posts
1,670
Likes
1,835
.
 
Last edited:
Jan 6, 2021 at 7:14 PM Post #310 of 559

FcConstruct

Head-Fier
Joined
Oct 5, 2019
Posts
52
Likes
197
Location
Canada
A few days ago when I was writing a review for the Shuoer Tape Pro, I felt bad for the people who bought it based on a few early rave reviews. I can't imagine blind buying something that costs 10x more and being disappointed because others told me to dismiss any opposing views.
 
Jan 6, 2021 at 7:15 PM Post #311 of 559

ChrisOc

500+ Head-Fier
Joined
May 6, 2020
Posts
529
Likes
1,509
Location
London, United Kingdom
Jan 7, 2021 at 3:04 AM Post #313 of 559

CrocodileDundee

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Aug 15, 2017
Posts
1,671
Likes
1,530
Location
Australia/Brazil
The best reviewer is yourself.

Before smashing a product using other's words, try it first.

And reading around here just remember me why I don't write reviews @aminus (I actually like your reviews and rock playlist)
 
Last edited:
Jan 7, 2021 at 3:05 AM Post #314 of 559

JustJoseph

100+ Head-Fier
Joined
Dec 25, 2015
Posts
217
Likes
167
I hope none of this is directed at me. I disagreed with the review there. I knew it wasn't crinacle, for me I was personally just wondering what his opinions would be. That's the only reason I mentioned him. I do welcome other opinions, and I thought we were just discussing them.

This isn't fun anymore. I think it's time for a break.

I apologise, I should have been more clear. I was referring to the people who mistook the Animus review for Crinacle and went along with it. None of it was directed at you as you were only giving your opinion on the matter and knew that the reviewer was not Crinacle. I’m sorry for that.
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Top