[goobicii]

yes cable lenght affect impedance but in realistic cable lenghts used to listen with headphones I am highly sceptical that cable could make difference.Is there any blind study that proves a cables change sound?

 

[goobicii]

anytime I see some post telling impressions with some headphones or amps,and in same post same person tells about how different cables make differnce I take that review with thousand metric tons of salt compared to average two grams 

 

[xionc]

Just throw inductance, capacitance and dielectric loss into equation and it gets more interesting.

 

[Steve Eddy]

Just throw inductance, capacitance and dielectric loss into equation and it gets more interesting.

Not unless it was designed by a complete moron.

se

 

[xionc]

I refuse to call people morons and partake in discussion with anyone who use label-sticking instead of reasonable arguments.

 

[goobicii]

 

[cjl]

  Just throw inductance, capacitance and dielectric loss into equation and it gets more interesting.

None of these have any significant effect whatsoever on the signal for the vast majority of audio applications, assuming a moderately normal cable design.

 

[jmsaxon69]

What's funny is that the cable deniers don't go out and buy some expensive cables and compare them, they just say "I don't believe in it" and  then try and convince everyone else they are a fool for spending the money.   I've never heard one guy say, I went out and spent $500 per pair on cables and purchased 3 different brands to hear if I heard a difference and I couldn't hear any difference at all.  Not once...

 

[xionc]

 
None of these have any significant effect whatsoever on the signal for the vast majority of audio applications, assuming a moderately normal cable design.

Any significant isn't exactly precise and we're not taking design of the other equipment into consideration.
 
I would say that with many balanced signal path products there is negligible influence of the cables on the reproduction quality. But those are rarely seen outside professional audio environment.

 

[Speedskater]

Not unless it was designed by a complete moron.

se

Nonsense, it would take a great deal of skill to mess up a cable design that much!

 

[sonitus mirus]

  What's funny is that the cable deniers don't go out and buy some expensive cables and compare them, they just say "I don't believe in it" and  then try and convince everyone else they are a fool for spending the money.   I've never heard one guy say, I went out and spent $500 per pair on cables and purchased 3 different brands to hear if I heard a difference and I couldn't hear any difference at all.  Not once...

 
I bought an expensive interconnect from ALO audio.  I don't believe in it.  It made no audible difference at all to my ears.
 
There are a few test that have been performed and you can read about some of them in this thread:
 
http://www.head-fi.org/t/769887/testing-audiophile-claims-and-myths-the-original-compilation

 

[xionc]

  What's funny is that the cable deniers don't go out and buy some expensive cables and compare them, they just say "I don't believe in it" and  then try and convince everyone else they are a fool for spending the money.   I've never heard one guy say, I went out and spent $500 per pair on cables and purchased 3 different brands to hear if I heard a difference and I couldn't hear any difference at all.  Not once...

500$ would be excessive, at least in my opinion.
 
Just make interconnect out of tv antenna cable ( shield as ground) - and tell me you don't hear difference.

 

[WraithApe]

  What's funny is that the cable deniers don't go out and buy some expensive cables and compare them, they just say "I don't believe in it" and  then try and convince everyone else they are a fool for spending the money.   I've never heard one guy say, I went out and spent $500 per pair on cables and purchased 3 different brands to hear if I heard a difference and I couldn't hear any difference at all.  Not once...

 
Firstly, they probably have better things to spend $1.5k on than 3 different brands of cable. Secondly, as has often been stated before, the burden of proof lies with those making the claims of difference to provide supporting evidence. It's only a matter of belief for advocates.

 

[DreamKing]

  500$ would be excessive, at least in my opinion.
 
Just make interconnect out of tv antenna cable ( shield as ground) - and tell me you don't hear difference.

 
That's the opposite side of excessive...Let's just assume cables that belong to a well-built standard that are fit to be sold.

 

[xionc]

Well-built standard? 
OCC copper insulated with teflon? Litz, stranded or solid? Symmetrical, coaxial, anything more fancy?
What constitutes of the well-built standard?