Cable braiding (Litz) : Just eye candy or significant audio advantage over twisted cable?

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  1. 5genez
    What it was designed for was good. The "side benefits" for audio use was not what they had in mind.It eliminates a certain audible harshness that regular cables have... Many attribute that harshness to being electronics sound. I found Litz makes my solid state sound more tube like.

    It can sound nicely airier. It just won't sound harsh (tizziness). Some of the harshness we hear typically comes from the naked strand effect of regular cabling that Litz overcame. That is why for certain applications audiophiles have looked to solid core cable as a preferred cable. (solid core does not have electrical interaction with other strands) .. Litz gives the best of both worlds. When using Litz that harshness is gone. The first impression could be that it sounds duller. But, it actually sound more like real music, less electronic, without the harshness. That's been mine and others experience.

    This is not an endorsement... But Cardas HP cables are litz. Not simply braided. Smoothness is one trait. Q-Audio also offers Litz HP cables. http://www.q-audio.com/shopz/q-french-silk-tm-cable
     
    Last edited: Dec 1, 2017
  2. DJ The Rocket
    I don't enjoy correcting people, it doesn't make me popular. But it bothers me on a deep level seeing misinformation like this spread.

    Here you go:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litz_wire
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin_effect
     
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  3. 5genez
    Don't worry... That's not correcting my point. I understand those attributes concerning litz wire. Originally it was not designed for audio applications. Its because of how it was designed to achieve that stated benefit it turned out to also have an additional benefit when applied to audio. It may just be the reason why all Audio Research tube equipment was wired with litz. Believe me. It was not wired that way to play in the megahertz range. It was used because of the unique audible benefits we will hear within the normal audio range,..... Its because of its weave and having each strand dialectically isolated from all the other strands in the cable. You will never find that strand isolation in standard stranded wire, no matter what metal is used.
     
    Last edited: Feb 22, 2018
  4. 5genez
    1. Cables That Use Stranded Wire:

    Under the insulation of a cable, you will most likely find tiny bare wire strands all twisted together. This is called stranded wire. In stranded wire designs, the strands touch each other thousands of times at various points along the length of the wire, causing the signal to jump from strand to strand instead of flowing through a solid continum.

    The results are phase distortions at each point where the strands come into contact, causing distortion of the signal; blurred imaging, lost soundstage cues, bloated and non-defined bass, etc. Details like the 3rd and 4th echo off the hall, subtle harmonics and depth are lost.
    http://morrowaudio.com/about-us/ssi-technology
     
  5. Speedskater
    Of course this is all incorrect and total imagination. There are no advantages for using Litz or Solid core conductors in hi-fi situations.
     
  6. 5genez


    Stranded, Litz or Solid Core?
    Most cables consist of thin strands of wire bunched together to form 2 conductive cores. However there are alternatives in the form of “Litz” and “solid core”. If you don't know what Litz wire is, then it's best described as a bunch of thin wire strands within a conductor, in which every strand is individually insulated from it's neighbour. Favoured in many high end cables, this configuration has the advantage of completely eliminating signal degradation caused by electricity jumping from strand to strand as it passes along the cable. Electricity “jumps” in normal stranded cable because it travels the quickest path. The bunched strands making up the cable do not run straight, but have a light twist to hold them together for manufacturing reasons. This twist causes “jumping” but any bend in the cable will have a similar effect. As one might expect, elimination of the jumping effect manifests itself in a very pure sound, devoid of grain and background haze.

    A well designed Litz wire always seems to perform well as an interconnect. However for speaker cables it is not as consistent. Maybe because it presents a higher impedance for low frequencies. On account of this, it's best avoided as a speaker cable on valve and low power amplifiers. For anything over 40 Watts solid state, Litz cable can be a huge advantage.

    Solid Core cable is usually a single, relatively thick conductor instead of a bunch of thin strands. Similar to Litz, there is no signal degradation caused by electricity jumping across boundaries and as you would expect, the sound is pure and transparent.

    The tonal balance of a solid core wire is affected by the thickness of it's core. Thin solid core wires (less than 0.5 sq mm cross section) are highly transparent but bass light, thick solid cores on the other hand are bass heavy (2.5 sq mm cross section 30 amp mains wire) – mains wire with conductor cross-section of 1sq mm is about right for many systems and still popular in some quarters.

    A large diameter solid core wire such as Origin Live Soli-Core is highly favoured by valve amp users. No one really seems to know exactly why thick twisted solid core wire works so well on valves but it outperforms exotic alternatives including Litz wires.

    https://www.originlive.com/choosing-hi-fi-cables.html
     
  7. Speedskater
    Once again that's all incorrect!

    Audio signals don't care if the conductor is stranded, solid or Litz.
     
  8. 5genez
    I have seen you pop up in several forums. Your operation is always the same.. It is to simply make contrary, unsubstantiated comments in order to try to chuck a wrench in the gears by saying something contrary. I seen you post enough times to see this consistency, not only here. Its always the same modus operandi you have.

    And, yes... audio signals have no feelings. They do not care about what ever you want to do with them.

    Its our ears that care. That is... if we have ears to hear. Some will hear. Some won't. And some will refuse to even listen.

    And, some others? ... These few are called polarity responders. https://www.quora.com/What’s-the-most-outstanding-life-hack/answer/Phil-Callaghan

    You're a condition. Not a solution.
     
  9. Speedskater
    I only make corrections to audiophile engineering misunderstandings and myths!
    What's the problem with understanding engineering facts of life?
     
  10. 5genez
    They are not corrections, sir.... They are only the conclusions of some engineers who can not hear what it is, and only know how to measure for things.. not knowing what else is needed to be measured for.
     
    Last edited: Feb 22, 2018
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