BT831 vs ATH A1000 - a completely unprofessional review
Jun 8, 2003 at 6:49 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 23

stenvex

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Synopsis: a lover of audio chooses the 831's on reccomendation, tries to surpass with AT and achieves only an Icarus state.

I was pretty happy with my 831's. I am an audio detail freak, so they seemed perfect for me. But surely there was more bass to be had, without sacrificing the detail and clarity to which I had become accustomed.

Alas, this was not the case. The purchase of my new AT phones was anticlimactic. $300 US later, I was dissatisfied. I decided to give them a month - perhaps it was adaptation; perhaps I had simply become accustomed to the 831's and needed to "retrain" my ears. They are pretty - titanium earwells and those suspension wings instead of a strap. If I were shooting a movie which required headphones, I might choose AT without question. But listening was a different matter.

It's not that they sound bad - they are fairly even and balanced. But they sound "muddy", even after a month of burn-in. When I switched back to the 831's after a month, my jaw dropped at the level of detail that I had been missing. I had tried to discount this previously as the effect of changing phones, but now it was apparent - the AT phones suck in comparison to the Beyer's.

Even if they were dead-even with the 831's in audio quality terms, the AT's fabric-covered cord would make the choice easy. It's annoying. The coiled rubber cord of the Beyer's interferes far less with the enjoyment of my music.

I titled this as an unprofessional review because I do not fancy myself an audiophile, just someone who is discriminating about the sounds that deliberately meet my ears. The AT phones failed. The Beyer's are not quite good enough - the absence of lower bass is annoying. But the AT's did not fulfill this desire either. If I can get some more contracts I will purchase the CD-3000's and see if they meet my expectations.

I know that there are holes in the above opining - if you have questions, pleasze feel free to post and I will attempt to respond ASAP.
 
Jun 8, 2003 at 6:52 AM Post #2 of 23
Hi,

Thanks for the review, I doubt many of us here would consider ourselves professional audiophiles
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Jun 8, 2003 at 7:21 AM Post #3 of 23
I notice that you prefer the beyer more than the AT
Let me recommend you: grado sr-325
to me, this beast is very detailed, and extended at the highs that some people perceive this as very clear(sometimes too bright :p)
The bass is fantastic. Infact, this phones has garnered 'king of rock headphone' for years. For rock , this is the best headphone. It does well with other genres too
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Jun 8, 2003 at 6:37 PM Post #6 of 23
You do indeed have a problem. Equal detail to the DT831 with better bass is a tough order. I believe that you will be equally disappointed with any of the AT cans, as well as with the Sony cans.

You should find some improvement with the Beyer DT931. I think that if you like the 831 you will love the 931.

btw, what amp are you using. It will make some difference.

You may like the DT250-250 as well. Even more bass, but you give up some treble energy.

If you are a detail freak, you will be thrilled with the AKG K1000. Just amazing. Tradeoff is that they are relatively expensive, tough to drive, and have no deep bass. The last one can be fully addressed with a nearfield subwoofer.

Another option is get an equalizer and fix what is missing in your DT831s. They already have superlative bass extension, and a small amount of tweaking in the right places will result in an amazing transformation.


Good luck.


gerG
 
Jun 9, 2003 at 5:55 AM Post #7 of 23
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Originally posted by jaskin
Hi,

Thanks for the review, I doubt many of us here would consider ourselves professional audiophiles
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Indeed, "professional audiophile" is an oxymoron for most people -- "professional" means you make money doing it...
 
Jun 9, 2003 at 10:07 AM Post #8 of 23
Thanks for all your replies and suggestions. Important info that I left out of my original post:
-Sealed cans are the only realistic option for me because of noise considerations. (Housemate + insomnia + loud music = bad) If anyone can share comments about the CD-3000's noise leakage, I would greatly appreciate it. Same goes for any other headphone recommendations.
-I assume that I am like many other head-fier's in that I listen to a wide range of musical genres. Techno, hard-bop jazz, traditional Asian, metal, alt rock, ambient, electronic... the list goes on. So good recreation with a variety of sources is also important.
-Right now I do not have a high-quality headphone amp. I'm using the headphone output (1/4") of a VideoLogic Sirocco Pro amp. This is because I listen to all of my music through the computer; mainly losslessly-compressed files. I currently lust after the Grace Design 901 amp because of its optical input and handling of higher-impedance phones.

Sidenote: I now know that I am a complete internet geek due to my shock and befuddlement at the idea of phoning Beyerdynamic to get replacement pads for the 831's. Despite the very real need (there was a coffee incident) I find the idea of placing such a trivial order by means of verbal interaction somewhat troubling
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Jun 9, 2003 at 11:28 AM Post #10 of 23
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Originally posted by gerG
Another option is get an equalizer and fix what is missing in your DT831s. They already have superlative bass extension, and a small amount of tweaking in the right places will result in an amazing transformation.


Quote:

Originally posted by stenvex
...I listen to all of my music through the computer; mainly losslessly-compressed files.


I'd certainly second gerG's suggestion, especially in view of the fact that you're using a computer source. Some DSP utilities are really rather amazing in terms of what they can do.

TravelLite
 
Jun 9, 2003 at 7:24 PM Post #11 of 23
I think the EQ idea will be my stopgap solution. I'm currently using J River's Media Center for playback (nice app, BTW) and I've had some improvement after playing with its EQ. I'm pretty sure that it supports DirectX plugins, so I may also try hooking up some 3rd-party EQ plugins with more customization options.

Next step will probably be the acquisition of a "real" amp. I've seen so many reports of folks getting more out of their phones with amp upgrades/changes... Since the 831's are very close to what I want, it might make more sense to improve the chain leading up to the phones first.

I'll have to eat nothing but potatoes and ramen for a while before I can get that amp... darn you head-fi!!
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Again, thanks to all for comments and suggestions.
 
Jun 9, 2003 at 8:17 PM Post #13 of 23
music series 2'!!!! *does headphone dance with maracas!!!* get 'em!!! they be good and purdy!!! get em at alessandro-products.com!!! free shipping!!! better than sr 325!!!! get 'em now, baby!!!!
 
Jun 9, 2003 at 9:00 PM Post #14 of 23
ablaze,

Apologies in advance if I'm misunderstanding your definition of "soundstage"...

The 831's seem to recreate the spaciousness of live performances far better than the A1000's. Live jazz sets recorded in clubs sound like... live jazz sets played in clubs. Orchestral works recorded in cathedrals or large performance halls seem to have the ambience of those spaces. The A1000's do not impart the same imaging or spaciousness - all of the instruments are there for the listening, but the sense of distance from the stage, position of the instruments, etc. seems to be missing. Even with studio recordings there is a greater sense of depth from the 831's, primarily with vocals, acoustic guitar and bass, and violin/cello.

I've been privileged enough to attend quite a few studio recording sessions and concerts, so I feel that I have a fair understanding of how certain instruments and environments "should" sound. The 831's blow the doors off of the A1000's in this respect. Even purely generated or synthesized sounds and effects such as those present in many techno/trance recordings have a greater impact due to the greater detail of the 831's.

The "flaw" here is the lack of low bass response in the 831's. This is pretty important with regard to live sets... or maybe I just wind up sitting too close to the speakers at shows...
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All IMO, YMMV obviously
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Jun 9, 2003 at 11:18 PM Post #15 of 23
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Originally posted by Guyferd
I notice that you prefer the beyer more than the AT
Let me recommend you: grado sr-325
to me, this beast is very detailed, and extended at the highs that some people perceive this as very clear(sometimes too bright :p)
The bass is fantastic. Infact, this phones has garnered 'king of rock headphone' for years. For rock , this is the best headphone. It does well with other genres too
smily_headphones1.gif


Who tabbed the Grado 325 the King of Rock. Are you sure you do not have this mixed up with the Grado SR 225? Headroom states this is the best rock headphone in the world. A lot of people agree. I have never heard anyone tab the SR 325 the King of Rock, until now anyway.
 

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