Bluetooth LDAC/AptX to WH-1000XM3 different sources

[Teppka]

Have just ordered my Sony WH-1000XM3 for travel and noise reduction feature. Surprisingly it supports almost all modern Bluetooth codecs. Considering Bluetooth streaming doesn't use phone's DAC at all I wander if streaming same music files (say from Spotify) will make any difference if streamed from my Galaxy Note9 or Onkyo DP-X1A if I will choose same Bluetooth Codec AptX?
As a side note my Galaxy Note9 supports Sony's LDAC codec which offers higher bitrate transfer but for the sake of equal terms I mentioned AptX.

So, considering same Bluetooth codec is used, will it make any difference in music quality streaming it over Bluetooth from my Android phone, Onkyo DP-X1A or A&K Kann for that matter?

Thanks.

 

[Pro-Jules]

A source outputting LDAC has the best chance of your headphones reproducing audio well.

Next down the quality list is HtpX-HD

If you went to get the most out your headphones potential - try to wean yourself off Spotify and onto Qobuz or Tidal which supports hi res audio.

Next you could sell the Note9 and the two other DAP's and get an LGV30. It's said to be the wonder tool phone for hi res playback (look into it) You could fit a 400 gig micro sd card in and download or live stream hi res files (far superior to Spotify quality) from Qobuz or Tidal. The LDAC out of the LG would transmit the 96k 24 bit files very well over Bluetooth to your headphones.

Then will access a new level of depth of soundstage, extended hi and low frequency range and overall stunning audio reproduction.

Spotify / LDAC / HI Res audio don't all sit well in the same sentance. To get the most from those headphones try to move on from Spotify.

IMHO.

Testing all the different devices you own yourself (won't take long) is the best way to really know how they perform.

 

[Teppka]

Note 9 allows to choose upto 96kHz/ 32bits/ you can also choose upto 990kbps streaming. So I believe it's pretty capable. Spotify was just a reference, I use other players for HiRes audio files. I don't think I'll ever be selling my Onkyo or Kann as I use those through balanced output to my Oppo cans and Shure IEMs. I'm only interested streaming over Bluetooth to Sony WH-1000XM3 during travels.

 

[Pro-Jules]

Bluetooth tips here

https://www.guidingtech.com/best-samsung-galaxy-note-9-audio-tips/

 

[TYATYA]

Have just ordered my Sony WH-1000XM3 for travel and noise reduction feature. Surprisingly it supports almost all modern Bluetooth codecs. Considering Bluetooth streaming doesn't use phone's DAC at all I wander if streaming same music files (say from Spotify) will make any difference if streamed from my Galaxy Note9 or Onkyo DP-X1A if I will choose same Bluetooth Codec AptX?
As a side note my Galaxy Note9 supports Sony's LDAC codec which offers higher bitrate transfer but for the sake of equal terms I mentioned AptX.

So, considering same Bluetooth codec is used, will it make any difference in music quality streaming it over Bluetooth from my Android phone, Onkyo DP-X1A or A&K Kann for that matter?

Thanks.

In short, bluetooth audio transmition depending on both source and target.
Same target XM3, your phone and your dap WON'T be same quality source EVEN same code use (exam. Aptx hd or any)

 

[Teppka]

In short, bluetooth audio transmition depending on both source and target.
Same target XM3, your phone and your dap WON'T be same quality source EVEN same code use (exam. Aptx hd or any)

Please elaborate why? Same player Spotify same codec AptX, why would there be any difference between Onkyo DP-X1A and Note9 steaming to Sony WH-1000XM3 considering DAC/amplifiers of both Onkyo and Note9 are not used?

 

[TYATYA]

Please elaborate why? Same player Spotify same codec AptX, why would there be any difference between Onkyo DP-X1A and Note9 steaming to Sony WH-1000XM3 considering DAC/amplifiers of both Onkyo and Note9 are not used?

I use iphone 6 and note8 feed b.t to shalling m2s.
note8 has slow, more low bass quantity but coloring while iphone6 is hard kicking bass, fast decay solid bass those properties are of each stand alone device.
Bcs of adding m2s into them and compare, I know note8 and iphone has effect on result. So give conclusion.
It is veryyyy clear thing, any one can found when heard them.
About m2s sound : rich, detail, clean, neutral-warm (it is like iphone6 but with 2 things : extend low bass and have better layering than ip6 - much more than samsung one).
Ip6 : clean, fast kick, short decay, neutral, precise,
Ss : low bass quantity, slow, coloring, blurr bass-mid

So result when adding m2s dap is much difference.

 

[Teppka]

I assume M2 is wired IEM? Did you see anything about wired headphone in my post?

 

[Pro-Jules]

Have just ordered my Sony WH-1000XM3 for travel and noise reduction feature. Surprisingly it supports almost all modern Bluetooth codecs. Considering Bluetooth streaming doesn't use phone's DAC at all I wander if streaming same music files (say from Spotify) will make any difference if streamed from my Galaxy Note9 or Onkyo DP-X1A if I will choose same Bluetooth Codec AptX?
As a side note my Galaxy Note9 supports Sony's LDAC codec which offers higher bitrate transfer but for the sake of equal terms I mentioned AptX.

So, considering same Bluetooth codec is used, will it make any difference in music quality streaming it over Bluetooth from my Android phone, Onkyo DP-X1A or A&K Kann for that matter?

Thanks.

How about testing it yourself and letting us know what you discover?

 

[Teppka]

That's what I will do when Sonys are delivered. But I'm not sure any test I will do will be consistent. At the end of the day it's same headphones, same player app, same Bluetooth codec and same DAC (in Sony headphones).
I was more interested in engineering/technical part of this.

 

[TYATYA]

I assume M2 is wired IEM? Did you see anything about wired headphone in my post?

Wire.
But, job is the same what you need to know/aksed.
Lets look pics.
1st pic : 3 maps to verify charactics of 3 devices.
2nd pic : 2 maps to conclude listening exp at the phone is not the same between two.

Cloud or any thing is no need to take in consideration just bcs of there in bluetooth connecting (the thing you care for).

Conclude : BOTH sending device & receiving device effect the sound.

 

[Teppka]

Job is not the same. When you use wired headphones you use DAC and amplifier of the phone/portable player and it makes all the difference between iPhone, Note9 or any other player.

When you transmit the music via Bluetooth you use DAC and amplifier built into your headphone only (in my case Sony WH-1000XM3). So DAC and amplifier of my devices Note9, Onkyo and Kann (or iPhone) are not used.

Technically it means if the signal is same and same Bluetooth codec is used the sound on same Sony WH-1000XM3 should be the same no matter what the player/smartphone you use.

 

[TYATYA]

 

[Teppka]

I don't understand what you are trying to proof.
Not DAP but DAC in the headphones.

 

[TYATYA]

Break up your wireless headphone you will see a board. Then cover it by two glass and alu frame it can be call a "dap".
Dap, in those pics, use on wire or no wire cans, no matter. Job no change.
It is quite easy if look the dap is b.t receiver.
Sorry you may not know it yet and my word is not clear, pics also