Blue Ray DVD is here!

[redshifter]

Blue Ray DVD is here!
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[KR...]

wasn't there a thread on this a few months ago?

 

[Edwood]

It's not available in stores yet, so it's all just vaporware still.

Of course it's all about movie availability, otherwise it may head the way of SACD.

-Ed

 

[HiWire]

Just when I was getting my DVD collection started

 

[markl]

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otherwise it may head the way of SACD

You mean still going after 6 years despite constant gloom-and-doom the-end-is-near negativity from every quarter, with more titles coming out than ever before?

 

[redshifter]

if you rtfa, you'll see the blue ray standard has been approved, so software can start being developed.

 

[Edwood]

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Originally Posted by markl You mean still going after 6 years despite constant gloom-and-doom the-end-is-near negativity from every quarter, with more titles coming out than ever before?

Yeah, they're completely overrunning the CD title releases.

-Ed

 

[Edwood]

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Originally Posted by redshifter if you rtfa, you'll see the blue ray standard has been approved, so software can start being developed.

That doesn't mean it will actually be THE HD DVD standard.

Even DVD video format was threatened from the beginning, as other companies try to inject their own proprietary formats. But hopefully they will learn from DVD's supreme success. Never was there such a rapid acceptance of a new media format.

Heheh, a retail purchased one, that is.

-Ed

 

[markl]

What do you want or expect? Instant presto-chango everyone-throw-out-all-their-CD-based-gear to switch over overnight? Ain't gonna happen. Have to adjust your expectations. SACD has not "gone away", despite constant nay-saying, instead it's steadily gained in terms of available equipment and titles since its release. It's stronger than it ever was. To you, depending on expectation, that may not be saying much, to someone else, it's saying a lot. Cheers.

 

[Welly Wu]

Don't forget that DVD-Audio is still around too. Actually, both hi-rez formats are poised for greater releases including concurrent ones with emerging artists in 2005 because of a lot of factors: 1. more universal DVD players are becoming available, 2. DualDisc (or DVD+), 3. greater publicity and prominence among audiophile trade magazines, 4. a much better forthcoming marketing campaign in 2005. So, no, both hi-rez formats are not dying. There is even greater interest in both formats and unviersal dvd player among Head-Fi members. 2005 is going to be a great year for both hi-rez formats.

 

[gloco]

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Originally Posted by markl What do you want or expect? Instant presto-chango everyone-throw-out-all-their-CD-based-gear to switch over overnight? Ain't gonna happen. Have to adjust your expectations. SACD has not "gone away", despite constant nay-saying, instead it's steadily gained in terms of available equipment and titles since its release. It's stronger than it ever was. To you, depending on expectation, that may not be saying much, to someone else, it's saying a lot. Cheers.

Unfortunately, SACD and DVD-A, have not made much of a dent in consumer's wallets. Sure, audiophiles may have jumped all over one or both formats, but the general consumer probably has never heard of either format. Plus, the lack of software (at least, representing my tastes) is sorely lacking.

 

[Jasper994]

I think the big frustration with both hi-rez formats is that they aren't releasing all new releases in the new formats. I think they'd have a lot more adopters if they at least put out the 2 channel hi-rez mix of every new CD that was released. I was forced to go back to CD by the lack of material.

 

[Edwood]

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Originally Posted by markl What do you want or expect? Instant presto-chango everyone-throw-out-all-their-CD-based-gear to switch over overnight? Ain't gonna happen. Have to adjust your expectations. SACD has not "gone away", despite constant nay-saying, instead it's steadily gained in terms of available equipment and titles since its release. It's stronger than it ever was. To you, depending on expectation, that may not be saying much, to someone else, it's saying a lot. Cheers.

We're talking about video here. And the change over to DVD was nearly overnight by industry standards.

If you are thinking that SACD is anywhere near as successful a new media release like DVD, then you are dreaming in TECHNICOLOR.

But if you think that SACD is successful in the way that Laser Discs were as a niche product, then you would be correct.

I never said SACD was "going away".
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Originally Posted by Edwood Of course it's all about movie availability, otherwise it may head the way of SACD.

I was referring to the fact that if Blue Ray does not have a strong release of titles and total industry standard , it will just languish as a niche format. (DTheater, anyone?)

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Originally Posted by markl Have to adjust your expectations

I suppose we should all lower our expectations for any new product.

You can argue semantics and relativity all you want, but I'm stating a simple fact. The sale number don't lie. You can walk into any retail store and see what I'm talking about. Look at the ratio of DVD's to VHS tapes. Then look at the ratio of CD's to SACD's. (or course, the MPAA is not continually castrating themselves like the RIAA is)

'Nuff said.

-Ed

 

[markl]

Considering DVD was the most successful launch of any consumer technology product *in history*, the question remains if that is a fair comparison for any new product, that's an incredible expectation/standard to meet.

The world we are moving into, it seems to me, is a world that is moving away from a single standard for *anything* (look at all the different video formats for the web, look at all the different image formats on the web), and toward a world in which software appears in multiple formats like mp3, CD, and SACD/DVD-A. What will become important, is not which format a particular piece of software/audio/video is in, but what formats my playback device can handle.

The days when everyone went out to but the new 45 or LP or even CD of a new song are over.

 

[Edwood]

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Originally Posted by markl Considering DVD was the most successful launch of any consumer technology product *in history*, the question remains if that is a fair comparison for any new product, that's an incredible expectation/standard to meet. The world we are moving into, it seems to me, is a world that is moving away from a single standard for *anything* (look at all the different video formats for the web, look at all the different image formats on the web), and toward a world in which software appears in multiple formats like mp3, CD, and SACD/DVD-A. What will become important, is not which format a particular piece of software/audio/video is in, but what formats my playback device can handle. The days when everyone went out to but the new 45 or LP or even CD of a new song are over.

Yeah, probably not.

What really sucks is the so-called standards on the web (MP3, DiVX, MPG, etc) are nothing more than a lossy compression of an existing format. MP3's are encoded from CD's, and mpg and DiVX files are encoded from other video formats.

So in that sense, they are not really a real "format" in the consumer sense. Of course, the vast majority of those files from the web are pirated. (mostly in video, legal downloads are so miniscule).

It seems that the masses wants convenience over quality. I'll admit, if I can hold onto convenience with 95% of the quality, I'll take that 5% loss in qulity anyday. But unfortunately, the quality loss is far greater these days.

Anyways, back on topic, has anyone seen what BlueRay Movies look like? I've only seen a small demo, and of HD movies, only WM9 HD. If it's anything like that, I really hope BLueRay takes off.

My HDTV is begging for better sources. There is only so much HDTV broadcasts I care to watch these days.

-Ed