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BitPerfect (was: Audirvana Alternatives)

Discussion in 'Computer Audio' started by agentsim, May 10, 2011.
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  1. BitPerf Support
     
    When BitPerfect (or any other player, AFAIK) reports that it can recognize a DAC's capabilities, what it is really doing is polling the USB (or FireWire, or HDMI) format streams which the DAC announces during its connection handshake.  If the DAC announces a stream format that it doesn't actually support, that would count as a bug in my view!  In your case the DAC is apparently announcing a 32/384 stream that it doesn't support.  In BitPerfect, you have the option of protecting yourself by setting a maximum sample rate and maximum bit depth so that "bogus" streams can be avoided to a limited extent.
     
    An inherent problem of the DoP format is that for DSD64 it uses a 24/176.4 PCM stream, which the DAC has to announce.  For DSD128 it is a 24/352.8 PCM stream.  However, as far as the computer is concerned, it has no way of knowing whether the DAC is announcing a DoP capability or a PCM capability.  Therefore, any DAC that supports DSD64 DoP really needs to also support 24/176.4 PCM, and likewise if it supports DSD128 DoP it really needs to support 24/352.8 PCM.  FYI, DSD256 DoP, if supported, would require a 24/705.6 PCM format!
     
  2. AppleheadMay
    It IS complicated but I do get the picture more or less.
     
    Probably my Dac reports the maximum stream needed for DSD it can support.
    Else it's that DSP chip's frequency it reports.
    In any case, it all works fine with BitPerfect, as usual.  :)
     
  3. mvyrmnd
    I just wanted to pass on to the BitPerfect guys here that I dearly love your product. It's been a big step in my induction as an audiophile. Cheers!
     
  4. BitPerf Support
    Thank you!  :)
     
  5. Allanmarcus
    Does BitPerfect support CrossFeed? I asked them about it earlier this year, but I haven't really followed up. Seems like a "prefect" fit for BitPerfect and the crowd here. I even suggested they integrate the plug-in Canz3D.
     
  6. agentsim

    It is certainly something we're interested in, the question is in doing it right.
     
    Canz3D is certainly one option. I'm hesistant to go that route because I'm not sure I like the idea of having BitPerfect's audio chain run any old 3rd party code. It is quite heavily optimized for a reason :)
     
    The other option is trying to do it myself. The problem with this is understanding what exactly constitutes good crossfeed. I've yet to find an implementation (hardware or software) that I find compelling. I've started playing with HRTFs to simulate playing music through speakers in a room, but it didn't really work. There are some other varyingly fancy academic approaches to crossfeed that might be interesting, this app has few options: http://spatialaudio.net/ssr/. Unfortunately, I didn't really find that any of them "worked", at least for me.
     
    So yes, BitPerfect is interested in crossfeed, but right now, we're not sure what direction to take.
     
  7. Allanmarcus

    What about the basic crossfeed algorithms that seems very common?

    Meier
    Bauer
    Chu Moy

    Rockbox does a crossfeed. I think they are open source, so you can look at their code too.

    I hope you implement something. Doesn't have to be fancy. Right now I use VOX sometimes when I want it, but I would rather use iTunes, and therefore bitperfect
     
  8. agentsim
    I guess it is a matter of personal preference, but I've always found those to be bad for sound quality and not to really solve the in-my-head problem.
     
  9. BirdManOfCT

    I just might have to try BitPerfect. Using a competitor's product and support is harder to find than 32-bit recordings. :wink:
     
  10. AppleheadMay
     
    Agentsim,
     
    Is there any info you can give us on what's coming next for BitPerfect and DSD Matser?
    Things I was thinking of are:
     
    An optional eq for BP that can be turned on or off, headphone mode, dark mode icon.
    And for DSD master the ability to rip the original DSD file from the hybrid file.
     
    Any news you can give us on what's planned?
     
  11. agentsim
     
    Sorry for taking such a long time to reply!
     
    Next up for us is an update to DSD Master that will fix some outstanding bugs and also make conversions quite a bit faster. It will also set the stage for us to play with some new conversion filters.
     
    As for BP, a dark mode icon will definitely be in the next update, but we'd also like to update the audio engine to make it a bit more efficient (that's currently beta level) as well as improve the stability of our interaction with iTunes. Unfortunately the reliability of iTunes' scripting interface seems to degrade with each version. We have some ideas for an overhaul that should both reduce CPU use and improve the reliability of communication, that idea is only just out of the proof-of-concept phase. An optional EQ is also on the radar; we're researching the highest fidelity way to accomplish it.
     
    I'm curious, what you mean by a headphone mode?
     
  12. AppleheadMay
     
     
    Ah, great to see both the BP and DSDMaster programs are still alive and kicking! 
    I recently tried out one of the other programs again and couldn't get used to it.
     
    With headphone mode I meant crossfeed. I'm usually not a big fan of it but some people seem to like it both in amps and software.
     
    But if the app stays just as simple and effective as it is without the bells (eq) and whistles (crossfeed) I'd be just as happy!  [​IMG] 
     
  13. agentsim
     
    EQ should certainly be easier to do than crossfeed. I've experimented with a variety of crossfeed solutions, both hardware and software and I've yet to find one I truly like. Even trying an HRTF based system didn't yield a workable result.
     
  14. Allanmarcus
     
    Can you implement Audio Unit plugins? If you do that, you get a 32 band equalizer for free. Also, the guy that wrote Canz3D is working on a 64bit version, so that should work too. 
     
    -Allan
     
  15. Krutsch

    +1 ... rather than building you own EQ, it makes far more sense to support AU plug-ins.
     
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