bigshot
Headphoneus Supremus
You are one odd duck. You don't seem to have much self awareness sometimes, and even less understanding of people around you.
No, the opposite.4'33" is a joke right?
It’s published, the composer wrote it down on paper. So others can and do reproduce it.If it is music @gregorio write it down on paper so others can reproduce it.
I’m an “odd duck”? You spend years fighting against falsehoods and fallacious arguments perpetrated by the audiophile world and then you do exactly the same in this thread and others are “odd ducks”?You are one odd duck.
No you’re not, you’re simply making up false assertions. 4’33” is: A joke, a cheat, a fraud, nothing, not a composition, a sonata, written for critics, I don’t teach creativity, etc. So this quote is just another lie!I am expressing informed opinions
You are entitled to your “criteria for judging”, you’re entitled to therefore not like 4’33” but you are NOT entitled to make-up lies about the piece just because you don’t like it!and I’m explaining my criteria for judging.
You have no right to call that a lie.
Another lie! I can perfectly well understand someone’s opinion/preference for not liking 4’33”. Making up falsehoods/lies about the piece though is not a “point of view” though, it’s just lying. 4’33” is obviously is not “nothing”, it is “organised”, it was not intended as “a joke”, etc.You appear to have problems with understanding points of view different than your own.
I have listened and tried to understand why you’re making up falsehoods about both the piece and me, and then repeating them endlessly. What I don’t understand is why you’re being so hypocritical, because you’re highly intolerant of others who do that!If you listened and tried to understand, you wouldn’t be so odd.
You’re the one making up lies/falsehoods and being an abject hypocrite, and there’s something wrong with me? Try looking in the mirror!there's something wrong with you
It’s published, the composer wrote it down on paper. So others can and do reproduce it.
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It’s not blank and there are definitions on what the performer/s should do. For starters the piece is in 3 movements, with timings for each movement.Are there to be no clear definitions on anything.
A blank score sheet.
Is everything you don’t understand or appreciate elitist highbrow nonsense? What about those people who are not highbrow elitists who like/appreciate the piece, are they just deluding themselves because you’ve decided they are highbrow elitists? Who are you to dictate this?It's elitist highbrow nonsense.
Is everything you don’t understand or appreciate elitist highbrow nonsense? What about those people who are not highbrow elitists who like/appreciate the piece, are they just deluding themselves because you’ve decided they are highbrow elitists? Who are you to dictate this?
G
Regardless of your opinion, it’s far too late for that. It has been elevated to more than that because it’s the epitome of a musical movement/“school” (Aleatoric Music) and has been highly influential for numerous other composers and other genres. Your personal opinion cannot change the historical facts!It's an interesting thought provoking whimsy but shouldn't be elevated to anything more than that. Imo.
Regardless of your opinion, it’s far too late for that. It has been elevated to more than that because it’s the epitome of a musical movement/“school” (Aleatoric Music) and has been highly influential for numerous other composers and other genres. Your personal opinion cannot change the historical facts!
G
You think you’re a little boy and if you cry then magically the history of music will change?But once a little boy cried 'He's got no clothes on', and the world woke up.