Mar 6, 2019 at 8:57 PM Post #2,821 of 5,354
Kz stars were just coming off too much, so I finally bought some spinfits... they seem really nice :O. Should have listened to the advice here earlier.

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when i first put them in, it seemed like they weren't gonna get a good seal, but then the silicone adjusted and everything was great. gotta see how they feel over longer listening periods, now!
 
Mar 7, 2019 at 7:15 AM Post #2,822 of 5,354
Was wondering if anyone experience what i did, be it with DM6 or any other IEM, where the shell breaks apart easily....
and also any experience with Linsoul customer service...
Acrylic does shatter like glass, when dropped. This is a redditor's $2000 K10, after a short fall.
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Mar 7, 2019 at 7:21 AM Post #2,823 of 5,354
Ouch. That hurts. Hope the owner's IEM could be repair.


As for the update of my current situation with my dm6, paid the requested fee for the human error and now they have ship out my dm6. All that is left, is to wait till i receive em .
 
Mar 7, 2019 at 11:28 AM Post #2,824 of 5,354
Kz stars were just coming off too much, so I finally bought some spinfits... they seem really nice :O. Should have listened to the advice here earlier.



when i first put them in, it seemed like they weren't gonna get a good seal, but then the silicone adjusted and everything was great. gotta see how they feel over longer listening periods, now!
What size (model number, not S, M, L) did you get?

Is the tip opening large like the stock ones or small?
 
Mar 7, 2019 at 12:37 PM Post #2,825 of 5,354
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-Achieving Happiness with DM6-

I have now managed to get over 200 hours burn in time and feel that the DM6 drivers and/or the new BGVP OCC cable have possibly benefited from this. The cable itself is cosmetically beautiful made with its aged copper colour. It has a slight springy rubber feel to it which some may not like.

When I first excitedly swapped cables I felt there was some smoothness to the overall signature but it was not enough to fix issues with some music tracks. 6-9k could still sound rough at times. There were still the odd tracks that could become tiresome and I would play with Equ on/off. I was becoming a little disappointed as I had expected more of an improvement and I was a believer in copper cables. Something didn’t feel right. So I thought I put the cable burn theory to test with nothing to lose and added another 100 hours burn time with the new cable on the DM6.

Than last night I got round to doing a listening session with some of my favourite and also sibilant music tracks. I was pleased to discover a much smoother experience throughout the frequencies and even able to listen to music few notches higher than before.
I think this is biggest proof of the improvement.

Cymbals now sounded correct without being too short and sounding zingy. They have better decay and no longer the extreme sharpeness that I refer to as zingy. Is It A Crime - Sade starts with a huge loud splash of cymbals and they are present through the track. Previously I had difficulty listening to this entire track because the cymbals would exhaust me. I thought I would never be able listen to it without equ.

I recall listening to the track Beautiful Light - Uppermost when I first got the DM6. At 3:00 I was also hit with piercing highs like others and I had to swap tips from Symbio to the wider bore Philips to tame the highs. This is no longer the case. When I listened to this test track last night the highs stopped just short of being uncomfortable.

Of course if you go listening to recordings that were intentionally recorded with sibilance such as Jesus to a Child - George Michael, the sibilance is still there and the DM6 replicates them faithfully. But again the slight extreme edge of sharpness has been tamed.

I don’t want to intentionally give people the wrong impressions or hype as my audiophile vocabulary doesn’t really exist so take what I say with a pinch of salt. And also we all hear sound little differently.

Last night I felt at last I was hearing a very refined open smooth warm sound from the DM6. I was no longer able to detect rough graininess across any of the test tracks. The signature was now much warmer and smoother overall and I had to roll tips again. I settled with the Spinfits as they were like the Symbios but with a narrower bore. For me they tightened the bass slightly and bought some more detail into the highs. I don’t beleive I will need to use the Philips tips again as they add bass and tame the highs further. Symbios might have a purpose when I want to do a long extended listening session with a slightly warmer sound. Maybe good for those bad recordings that were not recorded well for my ears :p

I feel my perseverance with the DM6 has paid off in the end. I’m now more happy with them and don’t feel an urge to buy another IEM. The plan to maybe buy Moondrop Kanas Pro at next sale is now binned.
Best upgrade I could do now is probably buy a better DAP like the top Sony range to really appreciate what the DM6 are capable of.

I originally referred to the DM6 as Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde because of their nature to sound so different depending on music recording or hardware config.
They have now become much more coherent so I believe they are actually more like a Wild Stallion.
Once tamed they are very special.

———
Curious to know if anyone with 200+ hours and still having issues in highs/graininess etc ?
 

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Mar 7, 2019 at 12:48 PM Post #2,826 of 5,354


-Achieving Happiness with DM6-

I have now managed to get over 200 hours burn in time and feel that the DM6 and/or the new BGVP OCC cable have benifited from this.

When I first excitedly swapped cables I felt there was some smoothness to the overall signature but it was not enough to fix issues with some music tracks. 6-9k could still sound rough at times. There were still the odd tracks that could become tiresome and I would play with Equ on/off. I was becoming a little disappointed as I had expected a more of an improvement and I was a believer in copper cables. Something didn’t feel right. So I thought I put the cable burn theory to test with nothing to lose and added another 100 hours burn time with the new cable on the DM6.

Than last night I got round to doing a listening session with some of my favourite and also sibilant music tracks. I was pleased to discover a smoother experience throughout the frequencies and even able to listen to music few notches higher than before.
I think this is biggest proof of the improvement.

Cymbals now sounded correct without being too short and sounding zingy. They have better decay and no longer the extreme sharpeness that I refer to as zingy. Is It A Crime - Sade starts with a huge loud splash of cymbals and they are present through the track. Previously I had difficulty listening to this entire track because the cymbals would exhaust me. I thought I would never be able listen to it often with the DM6 without equ.

I recall listening to the track Beautiful Light - Uppermost when I first got the DM6. At 3:00 I was also hit with piercing highs like others and I had to swap tips from Symbio to to the wider bore Philips to tame the highs. This is no longer the case. When I listened to this test track last night the highs stopped just short of being uncomfortable.

Of course if you go listening to recordings that were intentionally recorded with sibilance such as Jesus to a Child - George Michael, the sibilance is still there and the DM6 replicates them faithfully. But again the slight extreme edge of sharpness has been tamed.

I don’t want to intentionally give people the wrong impressions or hype as my audiophile vocabulary doesn’t really exist so take what I say with a pinch of salt. And also we all hear sound little differently.

Last night I felt at last I was hearing a very refined open smooth warm sound from the DM6. I was no longer able to detect graininess across any of the test tracks. The signature was now much warmer and smoother overall and I had to roll tips again. I settled with the Spinfits as they were like the Symbios but with a narrower bore. For me they tightened the bass slightly and bought some more detail into the highs. I don’t beleive I will need to use the Philips tips again as they add bass and tame the highs further. Symbios might have a purpose when I want to do a long extended listening session with a slightly warmer sound than with Spinfits. Maybe good for those bad recordings that were not recorded well for my ears :p

I feel my perseverance with the DM6 has paid off in the end. I’m now more happy with them and don’t feel an urge to buy another IEM. The plan to maybe buy Moondrop Kanas Pro at next sale is now binned.
Best upgrade I could do now is probably buy a better DAP like the top Sony range.

I originally referred to the DM6 as Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde because of their nature to sound so different depending on music recording or hardware config.
They have now become much more coherent so I believe they are more like a Wild Stallion. Once tamed they are very special.

———
Curious to know if anyone with 200+ hours and still having issues in highs/graininess etc ?
What model Spinfit are you using?
 
Mar 7, 2019 at 12:48 PM Post #2,827 of 5,354


-Achieving Happiness with DM6-

I have now managed to get over 200 hours burn in time and feel that the DM6 and/or the new BGVP OCC cable have benifited from this.

When I first excitedly swapped cables I felt there was some smoothness to the overall signature but it was not enough to fix issues with some music tracks. 6-9k could still sound rough at times. There were still the odd tracks that could become tiresome and I would play with Equ on/off. I was becoming a little disappointed as I had expected a more of an improvement and I was a believer in copper cables. Something didn’t feel right. So I thought I put the cable burn theory to test with nothing to lose and added another 100 hours burn time with the new cable on the DM6.

Than last night I got round to doing a listening session with some of my favourite and also sibilant music tracks. I was pleased to discover a smoother experience throughout the frequencies and even able to listen to music few notches higher than before.
I think this is biggest proof of the improvement.

Cymbals now sounded correct without being too short and sounding zingy. They have better decay and no longer the extreme sharpeness that I refer to as zingy. Is It A Crime - Sade starts with a huge loud splash of cymbals and they are present through the track. Previously I had difficulty listening to this entire track because the cymbals would exhaust me. I thought I would never be able listen to it often with the DM6 without equ.

I recall listening to the track Beautiful Light - Uppermost when I first got the DM6. At 3:00 I was also hit with piercing highs and I had to swap tips from Symbio to to the wider bore Philips to tame the highs. This is no longer the case. When I listened to this test track last night the highs stopped just short of being uncomfortable.

Of course if you go listening to recordings that were intentionally recorded with sibilance such as Jesus to a Child - George Michael, the sibilance is still there and the DM6 replicates them faithfully. But again the slight extreme edge of sharpness has been tamed.

I don’t want to intentionally give people the wrong impressions or hype as my audiophile vocabulary doesn’t really exist so take what I say with a pinch of salt. And also we all hear sound little differently.

Last night I felt at last I was hearing a very refined open smooth warm sound from the DM6. I was no longer able to detect graininess across any of the test tracks. The signature was now much warmer and smoother overall and I had to roll tips again. I settled with the Spinfits as they were like the Symbios but with a narrower bore. For me they tightened the bass slightly and bought some more detail into the highs. I don’t beleive I will need to use the Philips tips again as they add bass and tame the highs further. Symbios might have a purpose when I want to do a long extended listening session with a slightly warmer sound than with Spinfits. Maybe good for those bad recordings that were not recorded well for my ears :p

I feel my perseverance with the DM6 has paid off in the end. I’m now more happy with them and don’t feel an urge to buy another IEM. The plan to maybe buy Moondrop Kanas Pro at next sale is now binned.
Best upgrade I could do now is probably buy a better DAP like the top Sony range.

I originally referred to the DM6 as Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde because of their nature to sound so different depending on music recording or hardware config.
They have now become much more coherent so I believe they are more like a Wild Stallion. Once tamed they are very special.

———
Curious to know if anyone with 200+ hours and still having issues in highs/graininess etc ?
I mean no disrespect... but how a cable can be burned in? I kind of understand the change in the tonality with a cable swap and also the burn in of the IEM’s themselves (mostly due to the drivers), but the cable? My logic does not get it.
 
Mar 7, 2019 at 1:16 PM Post #2,829 of 5,354


-Achieving Happiness with DM6-

I have now managed to get over 200 hours burn in time and feel that the DM6 and/or the new BGVP OCC cable have benifited from this.

When I first excitedly swapped cables I felt there was some smoothness to the overall signature but it was not enough to fix issues with some music tracks. 6-9k could still sound rough at times. There were still the odd tracks that could become tiresome and I would play with Equ on/off. I was becoming a little disappointed as I had expected a more of an improvement and I was a believer in copper cables. Something didn’t feel right. So I thought I put the cable burn theory to test with nothing to lose and added another 100 hours burn time with the new cable on the DM6.

Than last night I got round to doing a listening session with some of my favourite and also sibilant music tracks. I was pleased to discover a smoother experience throughout the frequencies and even able to listen to music few notches higher than before.
I think this is biggest proof of the improvement.

Cymbals now sounded correct without being too short and sounding zingy. They have better decay and no longer the extreme sharpeness that I refer to as zingy. Is It A Crime - Sade starts with a huge loud splash of cymbals and they are present through the track. Previously I had difficulty listening to this entire track because the cymbals would exhaust me. I thought I would never be able listen to it often with the DM6 without equ.

I recall listening to the track Beautiful Light - Uppermost when I first got the DM6. At 3:00 I was also hit with piercing highs like others and I had to swap tips from Symbio to to the wider bore Philips to tame the highs. This is no longer the case. When I listened to this test track last night the highs stopped just short of being uncomfortable.

Of course if you go listening to recordings that were intentionally recorded with sibilance such as Jesus to a Child - George Michael, the sibilance is still there and the DM6 replicates them faithfully. But again the slight extreme edge of sharpness has been tamed.

I don’t want to intentionally give people the wrong impressions or hype as my audiophile vocabulary doesn’t really exist so take what I say with a pinch of salt. And also we all hear sound little differently.

Last night I felt at last I was hearing a very refined open smooth warm sound from the DM6. I was no longer able to detect graininess across any of the test tracks. The signature was now much warmer and smoother overall and I had to roll tips again. I settled with the Spinfits as they were like the Symbios but with a narrower bore. For me they tightened the bass slightly and bought some more detail into the highs. I don’t beleive I will need to use the Philips tips again as they add bass and tame the highs further. Symbios might have a purpose when I want to do a long extended listening session with a slightly warmer sound than with Spinfits. Maybe good for those bad recordings that were not recorded well for my ears :p

I feel my perseverance with the DM6 has paid off in the end. I’m now more happy with them and don’t feel an urge to buy another IEM. The plan to maybe buy Moondrop Kanas Pro at next sale is now binned.
Best upgrade I could do now is probably buy a better DAP like the top Sony range.

I originally referred to the DM6 as Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde because of their nature to sound so different depending on music recording or hardware config.
They have now become much more coherent so I believe they are more like a Wild Stallion. Once tamed they are very special.

———
Curious to know if anyone with 200+ hours and still having issues in highs/graininess etc ?

I have been listening to the DM6 daily since I got them in January. I was experiencing issues with the treble even with a copper cable and some foam tips, Beautiful Lights from uppermost being my reference track for treble piercing. Since 3 weeks or so, the treble has been tamed and I am no longer having any issue whatsoever with the DM6. A truly brilliant iem. But I am still looking for the TOTL iem at bargain price, maybe the Fearless S8? Need to think about it, $500 ain't cheap...
 
Mar 7, 2019 at 1:19 PM Post #2,830 of 5,354
Mar 7, 2019 at 1:41 PM Post #2,831 of 5,354
What model Spinfit are you using?

Sorry I don’t know. They came in a pack with earphones i bought long time back. They are medium I’m guessing as the others in the pack were smaller or biggger. They have a red nozzle and are the ones in photo in my last post. They seem to have a longer nozzle tube than the one Mr.Karmalicious purchased. IMO Longer is better as that way more of the tubing can slide over the earphone nozzle for better grip.

I mean no disrespect... but how a cable can be burned in? I kind of understand the change in the tonality with a cable swap and also the burn in of the IEM’s themselves (mostly due to the drivers), but the cable? My logic does not get it.

It’s one of those things like BA burn in that some will not accept and it just works. I can’t even be sure if the cables changed or the drivers did without having a brand new spare cable to compare against. What is for sure is that the sound has changed.

Cable burn in is more readily accepted on the high end HiFi world and I think the same benefits can apply to earphone cables to a lesser degree.
It was discussed earlier and I gave a link to a professional HiFi cable provider that uses burn in. @Kitechaser was someone that I believe agreed with cable burn in.

From anti-static treatment to cable elevators, there are several things one can do to maximize the performance level of audio cables. For years now, manufacturers have been aware of another practice that drastically improves upon performance that has recently been gaining acceptance from HiFi enthusiasts: cable burn-in..... When cables are first put into use, their directionality is not securely established. However, once the Vidar begins running current through the cables, the trapped gases are dissipated and small impurities in the conductor’s metal begin to act like a diode, favouring current flow in a particular direction.

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/bgvp-dm6-and-dmg-discussion-thread.894331/page-129#post-14739198


I have been listening to the DM6 daily since I got them in January. I was experiencing issues with the treble even with a copper cable and some foam tips, Beautiful Lights from uppermost being my reference track for treble piercing. Since 3 weeks or so, the treble has been tamed and I am no longer having any issue whatsoever with the DM6. A truly brilliant iem. But I am still looking for the TOTL iem at bargain price, maybe the Fearless S8? Need to think about it, $500 ain't cheap...

That’s like chasing the Holy Grail.
There will always be something better and more TOTL around the corner - good luck :p

Worth highlighting this for others as you was one of the owners that had a very bad time with the treble.

Since 3 weeks or so, the treble has been tamed and I am no longer having any issue whatsoever with the DM6. A truly brilliant iem.
 
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Mar 7, 2019 at 1:56 PM Post #2,832 of 5,354
Cable burn in has to do with the flow of an electric current through a medium. Over time the flow carves out a pathway and physically changes the surface of the metal.
In other words, it becomes more efficient.
Then again it could all be mumbo jumbo, but the important thing is there is an audible difference, and it is much more than a subtle change.
It is much easier to tell the difference on transparent iems that stay true to source.
 
Mar 7, 2019 at 2:26 PM Post #2,833 of 5,354
Cable burn in has to do with the flow of an electric current through a medium. Over time the flow carves out a pathway and physically changes the surface of the metal.
In other words, it becomes more efficient.
Then again it could all be mumbo jumbo, but the important thing is there is an audible difference, and it is much more than a subtle change.
It is much easier to tell the difference on transparent iems that stay true to source.
I'm a physicist and this doesn't make any sense to me; the flow of current doesn't "carve" anything like a river does through rock; the metal itself is simply atoms, and the surface is electrons, and those electrons are bumped by the fields of their neighbors. There's not like, "a metal" that the electrons move around on; they are part of the metal, and as long as that metal remains copper, the way those electrons move is immutable.

I will give a caveat though: I'm not an engineer, so it's possible that I'm missing some strange non-ideal effect. It seems unlikely in the context of something as basic as this, however.
 
Mar 7, 2019 at 2:42 PM Post #2,834 of 5,354
I'm a physicist and this doesn't make any sense to me; the flow of current doesn't "carve" anything like a river does through rock; the metal itself is simply atoms, and the surface is electrons, and those electrons are bumped by the fields of their neighbors. There's not like, "a metal" that the electrons move around on; they are part of the metal, and as long as that metal remains copper, the way those electrons move is immutable.

I will give a caveat though: I'm not an engineer, so it's possible that I'm missing some strange non-ideal effect. It seems unlikely in the context of something as basic as this, however.


Seems science can’t explain everything in this world so being a physicist won’t help.
Definite sound changes have been perceived and the HiFi cable industry backs the use of cable burn in. That’s all that’s important.
 
Mar 7, 2019 at 2:45 PM Post #2,835 of 5,354
Seems science can’t explain everything in this world so being a physicist won’t help.
Definite sound changes have been perceived and the HiFi cable industry backs the use of cable burn in. That’s all that’s important.
Sorry, need to step in here... science tells the truth, magic does not exist. Pretty sure current material physics on the materials used on these cables will explain absolutely everything about them.
 

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