BGVP discussion thread DM7/ DM6/DMG and NEW BA series

[mr.karmalicious]

I've stopped reading them. Not because I disagree or agree with them but because I worry they will give me a seizure from all the different colors, text sizes, and crazy formatting, lol.

Yeah, same here I am getting really annoyed actually. I have nothing against the guy but everything is too much, it's polluting the thread at this point.
@perfecious how about you create your own thread where you can rant all you want maybe? I am sorry to be blunt now but something has to change. Thank you

Yeah I literally set him to "ignore" dozens of posts ago. He really just... refuses to listen to people who know more than him, immediately rationalizes everything he's done wrong (even if it was pointless to begin with, aside from being wrong), then writes a novel-length eye-melting screed. It's a waste of time and effort for me to read it.

The strength of es100 is the BT connectivity right ?

You can’t connect it as a dongle direct to PC/phone as a HiRes dac amp ?

My understanding is that you can use it as a wired "dongle" both from your phone and your computer.

 

[Tony51]

I work out with the dm6 and have zero issues. I walk, jog, run and pump iron with nada problems regarding vent hole or not. Simply enjoying these babies to the fullest.
Tony

 

[archy121]

My understanding is that you can use it as a wired "dongle" both from your phone and your computer.

I did a little quick research earlier and wanted to hear from owner of es100.

I’m under the impression it only works in DAC mode connected with a PC and is limited to 24/48 at best. Not outstanding in HiRes area for a desktop DAC.
There are better dongles such as the DF series.

ES100 has an additional balanced output and it becomes particularly great because of its BT receiver with LDAC support. Opinion seems that the sound output quality from it and BTR3 are fairly equal. Some preferring one over other.
How useful and how much of a difference a balanced output can make in a such a situation is what I wanted to gage as es100 costs twice as much. I think the BT3 is a steal at its price even though its single ended.

When I use the BT3 with the android its upsampling hiss issues are gone on the DM6. No doubt es100 can do same.

 

[mr.karmalicious]

For whatever it's worth, every bit of actual research I can see suggests that balanced per se is completely useless for IEMs like this. But some people will swear by it, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Kitechaser]

For whatever it's worth, every bit of actual research I can see suggests that balanced per se is completely useless for IEMs like this. But some people will swear by it, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Depends on the player. The newer players have better dynamics out of their balanced ports, especially the Sony ones.
So yes, balanced makes a difference, and in some cases it is a significant one.

 

[silverfishla]

For whatever it's worth, every bit of actual research I can see suggests that balanced per se is completely useless for IEMs like this. But some people will swear by it, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It really doesn't matter whether or not you or I believe whether "balanced" makes the difference that is claimed. The more important aspect of it's implementation is whether it sounds better in it's implementation on, say a DAP that has both single output AND balanced. There are two types of implementation too, in daps. Some use separate DACs for each channel, which basically changes the how the the machine works than signals processed through a single DAC. I must say, without arguing "merits", every DAP that I've tried that had both single ended and balanced....balanced always sounded better (for whatever reasons).

 

[mr.karmalicious]

I would argue that that's a separate thing--having a better audio pipeline (amps, circuitry, et c.) will always be superior, obviously, but that's a function of DAP makers and... well, mostly just DAP makers, i guess, using their better components on their balanced outputs rather than their single-ended outputs. I think that that's kinda silly, but it would also be similarly silly to say "balanced outputs are never better"--they are, just never because they're balanced.

(a priori they should be *worse* because of the increased noise floor and lack of improvements with IEMs due to short cables and high sensitivity, so if OEMs wanted to do the best thing rather than the thing that appeals most to audiphiles who think they need to burn in their cables for 400+ hours "to get the electrons settled", they'd just put the better components in the single-ended output chain and be done with it. so it goes, though, I guess.)

 

[niron]

Do you see a difference in SQ beetwen hiby and es100

I use them for different targets. I find myself using the ES100 more often on the go, mostly with my streaming audio / Spotify and Tidal from my iPhone device (balanced/wireless). While the R3 is being used to play my Flac and DSD hi-res music files (from the SD card). So basically you can have both But I listen to streaming services a lot more these days.

The strength of es100 is the BT connectivity right ?

You can’t connect it as a dongle direct to PC/phone as a HiRes dac amp ?

Yeah, BT connectivity and the balanced 2.5mm port. Also the app is outstanding and includes a lot of EQ and tweaking options.
You can definitely use it wired or wireless with your laptop/desktop.
You can also connect directly to an iPhone with the Apple Camera Connection Kit.

It really doesn't matter whether or not you or I believe whether "balanced" makes the difference that is claimed. The more important aspect of it's implementation is whether it sounds better in it's implementation on, say a DAP that has both single output AND balanced. There are two types of implementation too, in daps. Some use separate DACs for each channel, which basically changes the how the the machine works than signals processed through a single DAC. I must say, without arguing "merits", every DAP that I've tried that had both single ended and balanced....balanced always sounded better (for whatever reasons).

Agreed, it's all about the implementation and the one on the ES100 is AMAZING. I hear a HUGE difference between the balanced out put and the single-ended one.

 

[Mirimar]

Hi friend, how's fh5 vs dm6

Hi Friend,

This is just my opinion FWIW but...

Given the FH5 has BAs and a dynamic driver and the DM6 is all BAs, the bass texture is different. Bass on the DM6 sounds very refined whereas bass on the FH5 is a little more open and boomy. I think the amount of bass is similar on both. DM6 has surprisingly good bass for a BA.

Mids are entirely different. On the FH5 the mids are forward and it is like the vocals are are being presented right into your ears, whereas on the DM6, vocals are presented in front of you.

The DM6 has better treble extension and detail, but overall I find the width of the soundstage to be comparable between both (DM6 slightly wider). I think the DM6 has more depth which is especially noticeable on live tracks and, for example, Hey Nineteen by Steely Dan (thanks for introducing me to that track @Hawaiibadboy).

Hope that helps

 

[GiullianSN]

Just updating here from previous discussions. Found the best configuration for the Hizz problems. Copper Gold Plated cable 2.5mm balanceda and SE100. They sound great.

 

[darkwing]

I work out with the dm6 and have zero issues. I walk, jog, run and pump iron with nada problems regarding vent hole or not. Simply enjoying these babies to the fullest.
Tony

same here, but I prefer my DMG when going out

 

[AncientSw0rd]

I am also listening to the DM6 with the ES100 right now in balanced mode and it sounds great. Can't believe how great this thing sounds with it being so tiny.

 

[redrol]

I finally decided to join because of BGGAR's DM6 review on youtube. Actually I found that first and decided to buy a pair when he kept dropping hints that they matched or exceeded the Sony Ex1000's in some cases. I also come from the basshead tree of audio.

I ordered mine in early Nov last year and got them like the 1st week of December, but then didn't open them till Xmas. Anyhow. I wanted to give my review since I've read a lot of stuff and maybe someone will get some good information out of this.

First off my DAP source which I picked because of sound quality is the LG G7 Thinq. I think basically all the modern dual sabre dac based LGs are pretty similar in output. They are highly regarded in most circles although surely not as high quality as you can possibly get. Still, it's powerful, flat response neutral sounding and flexible since it runs android and can push low and high impedance cans.
source: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...o-measurement-of-lg-g7-thinq-smartphone.4468/


My audio program of choice is PowerAMP which I have been using for years. I use it in HD 192/24 mode with the high quality decoder and Direct Volume Control (this makes a MASSIVE difference). Sometimes I mess with EQ but it sounds super nice without any with most of my IEMs.. and especially the DM6.

Observations about the DM6. I am not a cable believer. Having said that, this IEM exhibits some special kind of sensitivity, such that I can bump the headphone plug over my jeans and hear static in the drivers. That's.. something else. I decided to try a 80ohm headphone adapter plug to see how that responds and it actually smoothed the DM6 out in a very nice way. Refined it in my estimation. Sub bass rolls off a bit and so does high treble, mids jump forward. I wasn't really expecting the sound signature to change so drastically actually. Whatever, I prefer it straight into my DAP in low impedance mode with no adapter (surprise). I have tried high impedance mode and mids and high treble get 'hot' and I don't like it much. I have to keep the volume way too low and it's easy to overpower the DM6 in this mode. I think this is possibly why some people think the DM6 is sibilant and hot in the treble.

While im on this subject, I've rolled a bunch of tips and I swear, when I use wide bore rubber/silicone standard type tips the treble region gets really hot and I hear and odd 'splashy' effect. I'm thinking the wide bore actually makes a small resonant chamber and maybe it's just my ears but it makes the treble too busy and messy. To be honest I've not heard this effect with IEMs before. Maybe its my ears though. I find foam tips sound perfect with any IEM, create a perfect seal and don't create a treble resonant chamber.

Bass - 9.5 out of 10, With my setup, direct volume control, bumping bass in Poweramp, WOW. Scratches my basshead itch easily. I can get picky about this but overall, i never think to myself, man if only I had more bass. nope, these knock it out of the park. Super fast, accurate textured bass. I've heard better.. maybe barely. These sounds like a good dynamic driver.

Mids - 10 of 10. Pretty much this IEM is neutral as heck. Give it a track with forward vocals, you get that. Female and male vocals both sound 'correct' and lush to my ear.

Treble - 10 of 10. These ride that special line between an ultra detailed IEM and something fatiguing to listen to. Maybe you can find something with better high end but I've not heard it. I have read a lot of people that say the treble is too hot. It is not and I really don't think there is a problem with manufacturing. I think this is probably due to DAPs with mismatched impedance and maybe tips. I can easily slap on some wide bore silicon tips, run my DAP in high impedance mode with the 80 ohm adapter and OUCH. Sizzling treble in a lot of tracks.

Soundstage 9 of 10. For an in ear, these are damn good. I've heard some Sonys with unusually large sound stage but they don't have the resolution of these. I find myself enjoying the 3d quality of the output a lot. It's addictive.

Instrument separation - 10 of 10. I record and mix live guitars and other instruments and the DM6 can be used for mixdown and even live monitoring. This is a complete winner in my book. I can clearly hear each part of mixes, amazingly so. Love it.

On the subject of mixing, I have 4 sets of studio monitor speakers, along with a high end flat response monitor subwoofer. I use these speakers as my 'reference' for IEMs general sound signature.

Value - 12 of 10. I think you can pay a LOT more for an IEM and not get as much as the DM6.

Cables - I don't like thick cables though since I spend long hours working out with my IEMs. Whatever, you can replace em. Maybe they change sound quality, maybe not. I feel like tips, audio decoder, and other things matter more.

Fit - The tips bore size is large for my ear canals. Larger than any of my other IEMs. It's pretty easy to get a bad fit on one ear a lot of times. I wish the tips were smaller. The overall size fit in the ear is perfect though. I can wear these for hours and hours with no problem.

PowerAMP's direct volume control is just phenomenal. I highly suggest anyone try it. It makes a good IEM great and a great IEM godlike.

I got the clear light blue ones. I did look and there was the piece of green stuff in one of the tubes in case anyone cares.

Whew! I'm sure I forgot something. Thanks for the thread. super interesting info.

[edit]Yep forgot something. As with most high end audio things, source audio matters a lot. Pretty much FLAC as a minimum for the DM6. Higher quality formats for extra special spice.

At this point i've got maybe a hundred hours of playtime on the DM6 and I have tried a bunch of tests and comparisons. They are the winners for audio of anything I have personally.

 

[Mdclol]

Can anyone compare these to KZ ZS7's or FLC8s? Still curious about this one many moons later but I'm telling myself I don't need it.

Lmao I guess I'm already setting myself up for failure with this post. I lasted all of Jan2019!

 

[perfecious]

Yeah I literally set him to "ignore" dozens of posts ago. He really just... refuses to listen to people who know more than him, immediately rationalizes everything he's done wrong (even if it was pointless to begin with, aside from being wrong), then writes a novel-length eye-melting screed. It's a waste of time and effort for me to read it.

I do listen to people. AND I do make amends (correct my errors). The people I don't listen to are those that are simply saying I'm wrong, WITHOUT telling me why, and without even bothering to check exactly what I did, before telling me I'm wrong. Such feedback is useless to me. The only person that tried to help me get things right was crinacle, and he left because of that exact childish behavior. If you (or anybody) have a problem with me, send me a PM. I'm not here to cause trouble, I'm here to share my experiences and help people. And the reason why you have added me to your "ignore list", is because I've fired back at you for acting douche-y towards me. Whatever.

I finally decided to join because of BGGAR's DM6 review on youtube. Actually I found that first and decided to buy a pair when he kept dropping hints that they matched or exceeded the Sony Ex1000's in some cases. I also come from the basshead tree of audio.

I ordered mine in early Nov last year and got them like the 1st week of December, but then didn't open them till Xmas. Anyhow. I wanted to give my review since I've read a lot of stuff and maybe someone will get some good information out of this.

First off my DAP source which I picked because of sound quality is the LG G7 Thinq. I think basically all the modern dual sabre dac based LGs are pretty similar in output. They are highly regarded in most circles although surely not as high quality as you can possibly get. Still, it's powerful, flat response neutral sounding and flexible since it runs android and can push low and high impedance cans.
source: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...o-measurement-of-lg-g7-thinq-smartphone.4468/


My audio program of choice is PowerAMP which I have been using for years. I use it in HD 192/24 mode with the high quality decoder and Direct Volume Control (this makes a MASSIVE difference). Sometimes I mess with EQ but it sounds super nice without any with most of my IEMs.. and especially the DM6.

Observations about the DM6. I am not a cable believer. Having said that, this IEM exhibits some special kind of sensitivity, such that I can bump the headphone plug over my jeans and hear static in the drivers. That's.. something else. I decided to try a 80ohm headphone adapter plug to see how that responds and it actually smoothed the DM6 out in a very nice way. Refined it in my estimation. Sub bass rolls off a bit and so does high treble, mids jump forward. I wasn't really expecting the sound signature to change so drastically actually. Whatever, I prefer it straight into my DAP in low impedance mode with no adapter (surprise). I have tried high impedance mode and mids and high treble get 'hot' and I don't like it much. I have to keep the volume way too low and it's easy to overpower the DM6 in this mode. I think this is possibly why some people think the DM6 is sibilant and hot in the treble.

While im on this subject, I've rolled a bunch of tips and I swear, when I use wide bore rubber/silicone standard type tips the treble region gets really hot and I hear and odd 'splashy' effect. I'm thinking the wide bore actually makes a small resonant chamber and maybe it's just my ears but it makes the treble too busy and messy. To be honest I've not heard this effect with IEMs before. Maybe its my ears though. I find foam tips sound perfect with any IEM, create a perfect seal and don't create a treble resonant chamber.

Bass - 9.5 out of 10, With my setup, direct volume control, bumping bass in Poweramp, WOW. Scratches my basshead itch easily. I can get picky about this but overall, i never think to myself, man if only I had more bass. nope, these knock it out of the park. Super fast, accurate textured bass. I've heard better.. maybe barely. These sounds like a good dynamic driver.

Mids - 10 of 10. Pretty much this IEM is neutral as heck. Give it a track with forward vocals, you get that. Female and male vocals both sound 'correct' and lush to my ear.

Treble - 10 of 10. These ride that special line between an ultra detailed IEM and something fatiguing to listen to. Maybe you can find something with better high end but I've not heard it. I have read a lot of people that say the treble is too hot. It is not and I really don't think there is a problem with manufacturing. I think this is probably due to DAPs with mismatched impedance and maybe tips. I can easily slap on some wide bore silicon tips, run my DAP in high impedance mode with the 80 ohm adapter and OUCH. Sizzling treble in a lot of tracks.

Soundstage 9 of 10. For an in ear, these are damn good. I've heard some Sonys with unusually large sound stage but they don't have the resolution of these. I find myself enjoying the 3d quality of the output a lot. It's addictive.

Instrument separation - 10 of 10. I record and mix live guitars and other instruments and the DM6 can be used for mixdown and even live monitoring. This is a complete winner in my book. I can clearly hear each part of mixes, amazingly so. Love it.

On the subject of mixing, I have 4 sets of studio monitor speakers, along with a high end flat response monitor subwoofer. I use these speakers as my 'reference' for IEMs general sound signature.

Value - 12 of 10. I think you can pay a LOT more for an IEM and not get as much as the DM6.

Cables - I don't like thick cables though since I spend long hours working out with my IEMs. Whatever, you can replace em. Maybe they change sound quality, maybe not. I feel like tips, audio decoder, and other things matter more.

Fit - The tips bore size is large for my ear canals. Larger than any of my other IEMs. It's pretty easy to get a bad fit on one ear a lot of times. I wish the tips were smaller. The overall size fit in the ear is perfect though. I can wear these for hours and hours with no problem.

PowerAMP's direct volume control is just phenomenal. I highly suggest anyone try it. It makes a good IEM great and a great IEM godlike.

I got the clear light blue ones. I did look and there was the piece of green stuff in one of the tubes in case anyone cares.

Whew! I'm sure I forgot something. Thanks for the thread. super interesting info.

[edit]Yep forgot something. As with most high end audio things, source audio matters a lot. Pretty much FLAC as a minimum for the DM6. Higher quality formats for extra special spice.

At this point i've got maybe a hundred hours of playtime on the DM6 and I have tried a bunch of tests and comparisons. They are the winners for audio of anything I have personally.

Great, detailed review. And yes, sources and cables make a huge difference with the DM6.

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Some id**t (can you get banned for insulting yourself? I guess We'll find out, i need a break from this place anyway. I mean, I must be an idiot, according to the experts, so, not harm I guess) posted a video comparison on YT, proving that the DM6 changes significantly with different sources and cables (SPC vs Pure Copper). But there are other highly regarded and much more knowledgeable reviewers out there that don't believe in such BS, and they are probably right, especially when they call all people that recommended the BGVP DMG/DM6 i**iots. I mean, I don't know who to trust anymore...