[musicman59]

Has anybody seen this picture of the back of the T1 driver with the 3 wire system?

We can see the positive and negative going to the driver but there is that 3rd black wire going to a metal piece part of the structure of the driver. Does anybody know what is the purpose and functionality of it? If it gets recabled does it need it to function properly? Where does it goes at the connector side?

 

[anetode]

With all due respect, they weren't the ones who brought up the issue. If people keep talking about the purported acoustic merits of recabling the T1, you can expect continued disagreement. Attempting to shut people up about anything having to deal with the topic will only dispose of the appearance of neutrality.

edit: isn't that an extra ground wire?

 

[musicman59]

That's what I think it is but why is needed? I have not seen another design like that before. I am wondering if the sound change without it.

 

[Skylab]

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Originally Posted by anetode /img/forum/go_quote.gif With all due respect, they weren't the ones who brought up the issue. If people keep talking about the purported acoustic merits of recabling the T1, you can expect continued disagreement. Attempting to shut people up about anything having to deal with the topic will only dispose of the appearance of neutrality. edit: isn't that an extra ground wire?

As I have said previously, I am HAPPY to see the debate the merits of recabling the T1 specifically - but NOT to have a generic debate here on the audibility of wire in general. That is all.


I agree that is an additional ground wire, but not sure the exact purpose.

 

[anetode]

My point was that you cannot neatly separate it like that, you're speaking of the same topic/argument.

edit, i'm bored

:
To offer a hyperbolic example, let's say you have an open forum where a few flat-earthers are comparing notes:

FE1: Do you think that the earth is rectangular or ovoid?
FE2: In my experience, using my gold-plated lenticular microscope to scan the horizon, I believe it is an irregular ovoid shape.
FE1: I see, your observation fits in with my sneaking suspicions.
Skeptic: Um, have either of you ever seen a globe while you were in school?
FE1 & FE2: Can we not have this whole discussion again, please? We don't want to debate whether the earth might be volumetric, we're here to share our opinions on its shape. If you don't have anything useful to add about ovals, go to another forum.
Skeptic: But I've no interest in arguing over the details of why you think it's square/circular/bunny-shaped, I just meant to point out that the very premise is flawed.
FE1: Yes, yes, we've heard your kind before.
FE2: Are you done with your closed-minded drivel?
Skeptic: OK, were both on this forum because we're fans of our planet, I don't see why it's inappropriate to correct you on this one well-known aspect of its geology.
Mod: Everyone, back on track! So, the other day, I was experimenting with a kaleidescope, and I happen to think that the earth has some rather jagged mutlicolored edges. Sure is a cool place to live.

 

[donthuang]

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Originally Posted by musicman59 /img/forum/go_quote.gif That's what I think it is but why is needed? I have not seen another design like that before. I am wondering if the sound change without it.

I guess it's just try to "reduce" crosstalk and make ground currents stable, but not total"crosstalk cancellation" like some balanced headphone.

 

[Skylab]

I just listened to "Somebody" - the Veruca Salt cover of the Depeche Mode classic - on the T1's - and I was very close to tears. Wow.

 

[Wmcmanus]

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Originally Posted by Skylab /img/forum/go_quote.gif As I have said previously, I am HAPPY to see the debate the merits of recabling the T1 specifically - but NOT to have a generic debate here on the audibility of wire in general. That is all.

^ Yes, what he said! That's all there is to it. A generic debate about cables is the wrong topic for this thread/forum.

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Originally Posted by anetode /img/forum/go_quote.gif My point was that you cannot neatly separate it like that, you're speaking of the same topic/argument.

Yes, you/we can. That's why we have the Sound Science forum. That's where people go when they need group therapy or when they simply wish to engage in intellectual masturbation games about "whether" cables affect sound or "why" they do or don't or can or can't.

In all other forums, people are free to express their subjective opinions about cables. Thus, what will eventually become relevant about cables in this thread, is what people think about the various cable alternatives they've tried with the T1. Those kinds of impressions, when the time comes, will be welcome here because they will be focused on the topic at hand which is the T1 (and by extension, various T1 mods that people might be interested in exploring).

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edit, i'm bored : To offer a hyperbolic example, let's say you have an open forum where a few flat-earthers are comparing notes: FE1: Do you think that the earth is rectangular or ovoid? FE2: In my experience, using my gold-plated lenticular microscope to scan the horizon, I believe it is an irregular ovoid shape. FE1: I see, your observation fits in with my sneaking suspicions. Skeptic: Um, have either of you ever seen a globe while you were in school? FE1 & FE2: Can we not have this whole discussion again, please? We don't want to debate whether the earth might be volumetric, we're here to share our opinions on its shape. If you don't have anything useful to add about ovals, go to another forum. Skeptic: But I've no interest in arguing over the details of why you think it's square/circular/bunny-shaped, I just meant to point out that the very premise is flawed. FE1: Yes, yes, we've heard your kind before. FE2: Are you done with your closed-minded drivel? Skeptic: OK, were both on this forum because we're fans of our planet, I don't see why it's inappropriate to correct you on this one well-known aspect of its geology. Mod: Everyone, back on track! So, the other day, I was experimenting with a kaleidescope, and I happen to think that the earth has some rather jagged mutlicolored edges. Sure is a cool place to live.

I don't know what you regard as open or closed minded, but it's the "great cable debate" drivel that we can do without in threads like this one.

Any further discussion about "whether" cables can or do or can't or don't make a difference in sound, in general, and the "why" aspects of whatever your position on the matter might happen to be will not be allowed in this thread. Again, we have the Sound Science forum for such debates and you're free to start (yet another) thread about the matter in that forum and debate your pants off for as long as you wish to; just don't bring it into this forum/thread.

 

[Anonanimal]

Skylab, you're definitely not making this easy to resist!

 

[Helmore]

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Originally Posted by musicman59 /img/forum/go_quote.gif That's what I think it is but why is needed? I have not seen another design like that before. I am wondering if the sound change without it.

Has it even been confirmed that this ground wire is actually connected to the headphone plug of the T1? To me it look like an optional cable in the case you attach a 2 x 3-pin XLR plug to the T1's cable. I'd it's there to make sure there is no electric field between the actual voice coil and the magnet (in case of no signal passing through the voice coil. Not sure how much it will effect sound quality tough. I guess they connected the shielding of the cable to that 3rd cable and you should thus connect it to chassis ground (shield cable) on a pair 3-pin XLR plugs. It would pretty much make the entire signal path, from amp to headphone shielded.

 

[anetode]

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Originally Posted by Wmcmanus /img/forum/go_quote.gif Yes, you/we can. That's why we have the Sound Science forum. That's where people go when they need group therapy or when they simply wish to engage in intellectual masturbation games about "whether" cables affect sound or "why" they do or don't or can or can't.

"Intellectual masturbation" sums up about 90% of all discourse I've seen on head-fi. And I'm not excluding my own input from this observation

 

[MrGreen]

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Originally Posted by anetode /img/forum/go_quote.gif Masturbation sums up about 90% of all discourse I've seen on head-fi. And I'm not excluding my own input from this observation

Fixed that for you

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Originally Posted by anetode /img/forum/go_quote.gif FE2: In my experience, using my gold-plated lenticular microscope to scan the horizon, I believe it is an irregular ovoid shape.

You can't gain focus of distant "objects" in a microscope.

 

[Bluetick]

I plopped down the hard earned dough for the T1's today. I have been mostly unhappy with headphones capturing that vocal magic like my Tannoys do. I hope these T1's come close....I'll report back on that once they get here...

 

[musicman59]

Helmore,
As far as I know the pin 1 in the XLR connector is not in use. I don't think I have seen either a cable or a headphone amplifier using it. In a balanced XLR interconnect the shield of the interconnect is soldered to the pin 1 but I have not seen that in headphones but may be that's what it is.

 

[xnor]

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Originally Posted by Skylab /img/forum/go_quote.gif There is no question that the T1 has more bass weight (and better bass quality) than the DT880. I own both of course, so I speak from direct experience.

Sure...