[ddkyd]

I been looking to upgrade from my grado sr80 which i love. Now i am looking for a set that has bit more bass. I was looking thru the BeyerDynamic line, and there are just too many, especially with the 2005 model to the pro models and such.
Which model would be the best for hip hop? I do not want overpowering bass, just enough, but at same time I would really like to keep clarity that sr80 offers.
Any suggestions? I was thinking the DT250.

 

[ddkyd]

I should also mention that they will be used without amp.

 

[onlysleeping]

Are you looking for open headphones or closed headphones? If you have a guitar center near you I suggest trying out the DT770s. I am in the same ballpark - I have sr80s but want something closed so I don't annoy people around me, and something with more bass. The Dt770s sounded great so I snagged a pair on ebay.

 

[E.B.M.Head]

If you love bass then look at DT-770 / DT-990 and DTX-50.
The other Beyers have a different soundsignature.
The Pro Line is cheaper and has a little more bass than HiFi phones.

DT 770 pro (closed circumaural)
DT 990 pro (open circumaural)
DTX-50 (Earbud)

 

[MaZa]

DT990 has good clarity and humped up midbass. Older DT990 Pro can be gotten quite cheap, and it uses same drivers as newer and costlier 2005 model. Bend the headband looser (pro models have higher clamping force) and you have a very similar headphone to newer one, minus the sound differences the new can looks and dampening does. Quite a bargain.

DT770 has very strong bass that reaches deep with great force, but clarity is bit lacking. Bass harms the midrange noticeably.

 

[ddkyd]

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Originally Posted by onlysleeping /img/forum/go_quote.gif Are you looking for open headphones or closed headphones? If you have a guitar center near you I suggest trying out the DT770s. I am in the same ballpark - I have sr80s but want something closed so I don't annoy people around me, and something with more bass. The Dt770s sounded great so I snagged a pair on ebay.

I think DT770 might be the one, i am looking a pair generally used at home, sometimes for commute, either open or closed it good for me. I think it's between DT770 and DT990, they are both real good deal at the moment ranging from 140-170.

 

[ddkyd]

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Originally Posted by MaZa /img/forum/go_quote.gif DT990 has good clarity and humped up midbass. Older DT990 Pro can be gotten quite cheap, and it uses same drivers as newer and costlier 2005 model. Bend the headband looser (pro models have higher clamping force) and you have a very similar headphone to newer one, minus the sound differences the new can looks and dampening does. Quite a bargain. DT770 has very strong bass that reaches deep with great force, but clarity is bit lacking. Bass harms the midrange noticeably.

Is it kind of like CX300 where bass is muddy?

 

[greggf]

I don't find the bass muddy, but as maza says, the midrange is not a DT770 strongpoint.

 

[MaZa]

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Originally Posted by ddkyd /img/forum/go_quote.gif Is it kind of like CX300 where bass is muddy?

Havent heard CX300 so I cant say. The bass and overall sound of DT770 isnt bad. Its helluva lot better than bass-mudfest some cheap sony headphones produce. Just, after Grados brilliant mids and highs, the strong bass combined recessed mids of DT770 might be distracting. The sound does sound less fast and brilliant, and bass might seem overpowering. The bass is rather prominent overall in DT770. Feed them a very bass-heavy track and they might go overboard.


*edit* typo fix

 

[Jaska]

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Originally Posted by MaZa /img/forum/go_quote.gif Just, after Grados brilliant mids and highs, the strong bass combined recessed mids of DT770 might be distracting. The sound does sound less fast and brilliant, and bass might seem overpowering. It it sometimes is, the bass is rather prominent overall in DT770. Feed them a very bass-heavy track and they might go overboard.

Wow, this is also how I would sum things up between the DT770 and the Grados, but never would have thought so until I actually spent the money on and time with Grados. I didn't regard the mids as "bad" in any way with the DT770, but had a major revelation when I got my SR 225 last week (which I started another thread about recently).

I also agree about the bass. MaZa, I don't know if you ever heard the DT770 before this pair, but I feel pretty strongly that the bass was not out of proportion overall with them in the majority of cases. With lots of music, the bass stayed very polite and not unlike other headphones. Only on certain tracks designed to evoke some earth-moving subwoofer action would the DT770 act in a similar way. When this happens, it can be overbearing indeed.

Since listening to nothing but Grados since last week, the only album I've listened to that made me think, hmm, I wish I had the DT770 for this, was Sonic Youth's Daydream Nation. That album has always been an important one for me, and I think it sounds like it's "supposed to" with the DT770.

 

[MaZa]

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I also agree about the bass. MaZa, I don't know if you ever heard the DT770 before this pair, but I feel pretty strongly that the bass was not out of proportion overall with them in the majority of cases. With lots of music, the bass stayed very polite and not unlike other headphones. Only on certain tracks designed to evoke some earth-moving subwoofer action would the DT770 act in a similar way. When this happens, it can be overbearing indeed. Since listening to nothing but Grados since last week, the only album I've listened to that made me think, hmm, I wish I had the DT770 for this, was Sonic Youth's Daydream Nation. That album has always been an important one for me, and I think it sounds like it's "supposed to" with the DT770.

No, I hadnt owned DT770 before. The bassiest cans I had on my system before DT770 were Proline 650 and 750, and in midbass quantity in DT770 beats them. I am also used to flatter bass response so DT770 feels quite earshaking (and occasionally muddy) from time to time.

 

[facelvega]

The best Beyer for the job is the DT770-80, as others have mentioned above. The old DT990, though grand, isn't so hot unamped. But must it really be a Beyer? I have a new favorite for this kind of question, the JVC Victor HP-M1000, which I heard recently at Audiocubes' store and was blown away by. It's better than a DT770, at least as good as the harder to drive DT150, and costs only $147 now on sale. An unbelievably good headphone, the tightest bass I've heard on a dynamic headphone to date. (and that includes the top Senns, Beyers, AKGs, and many more)

 

[terriblepaulz]

The '05 990 was IMHO an optimal hip-hop can - potent, fast bass with the emphasized upper-mids that really brought out the detail of sample-heavy or complex d.j. styles. Alas, at 250 ohm, you really need an amp. Given that limitation, I would stear clear of Beyer. Go Grado.

 

[ddkyd]

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Originally Posted by terriblepaulz /img/forum/go_quote.gif The '05 990 was IMHO an optimal hip-hop can - potent, fast bass with the emphasized upper-mids that really brought out the detail of sample-heavy or complex d.j. styles. Alas, at 250 ohm, you really need an amp. Given that limitation, I would stear clear of Beyer. Go Grado.

I am really leaning toward dt990, i will not use a amp tho, Grado will bring out better sound without amp? If so which model? I am gonna have to search threads for SR225 , dt990 comparison.

 

[Wilashort]

I am completely agree with you.
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Originally Posted by terriblepaulz /img/forum/go_quote.gif The '05 990 was IMHO an optimal hip-hop can - potent, fast bass with the emphasized upper-mids that really brought out the detail of sample-heavy or complex d.j. styles. Alas, at 250 ohm, you really need an amp. Given that limitation, I would stear clear of Beyer. Go Grado.

The beyer DT990 Ed 2005 is far better overall than the Grado SR225.
I was interested in the past in that headphone, and i did search in the forums as you...
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Originally Posted by ddkyd /img/forum/go_quote.gif I am really leaning toward dt990, i will not use a amp tho, Grado will bring out better sound without amp? If so which model? I am gonna have to search threads for SR225 , dt990 comparison.