Ok I can't take it anymore. I've been going through this thread and seeing everything you wrote, including the insults pointed at people who produce these headphones, and I must say it's got to be the biggest amount of garbage I've seen on head-fi in a long time, and the competition is very strong. Unless you're trolling (which I seriously think you are), you have to seriously reconsider what you're doing and stop talking and jumping into conclusions about things you know nothing about have no experience with. You clearly, VERY clearly lack the technical knowledge, and clearly don't understand the amount of complexities that determine how a headphone will sound if you think that you can judge something like a pair of HD800's, WHILE CLAIMING YOU'VE NEVER ACTUALLY LISTENED TO THEM, and call them a bad headphone because of a frequency response that doesn't look accurate to YOU. Clearly, you also lack the understanding of hearing neurophysiology and how complex the relationship between many physical aspects of a headphone and our hearing system is, and think that what measures as a flat line on a simple frequency response graph is accurate...well, no, it's not, far from it when it comes to headphones. You can't judge a headphone by a simple frequency response graph, because a frequency response graph will only tell you roughly how a headphone sounds, not nearly enough data to be able to come to a conclusion about it. Calling headphones like T1's, LCD3's, TH900's and similar bad, again, without hearing them, tells a lot about your personality and your inability to judge what you should and what you should not say.