[Cantrell]

Finally bought a cable for the NC50 that Arrived today. Any suggestions on burn/break in time along with the 4 conductor silver plated Copper cable?

 

[vector84]

Finally bought a cable for the NC50 that Arrived today. Any suggestions on burn/break in time along with the 4 conductor silver plated Copper cable?

I would tend to relate the changes I hear more to continued tip rolling and brain burn-in, but I was somewhere around the 30-40 hour mark (music while in use and playing pink noise otherwise) when I noticed they really starting coming to life.

 

[djmakemynight]

Please give a review of Uiisii T8s compare to zs5 and zs6..as detail as possible...This is the only one in ur list with Hi-Res certified..
Thanks in advance

Sure, I will share my impressions when I actually get to them. Those 3 are still sparkling new in their boxes and sealed.

CM5 is also Hi-Res but I personally don't care much for those stickers. Only sound and comfort are important to me.

 

[Ahmad313]

$100 budget, what should I get with a neutral sound ???

Check the Brainvawz B200v2 or if you can stretch your budget a little more go for B400 ,

 

[Vidal]

Hi Vidal, if I recall it was your review of the Moni One that got me interesting it purchasing a pair. How would you compare it to the Mee Audio P2?
I also have the XE800 and like its clarity but would want more bass and less fatiguing sound, like the Swing IE800. I'm also interested in the DM5 and the Hibiki.

Sorry not heard the Mee P2

 

[hakuzen]

i own a vsonic gr07 classic ed. and purchased a dozen of vivo xe800 from three different shops in ali.
measured them with my old rig, and proved not only an acceptable consistency between xe800 units, but also their big similarities with gr07. they don't sound exactly the same, because the shell and maybe some more things, dunno..
recently, while re-measuring gr07 with a much more accurate rig, noticed than one driver was broken (the shell is cracked, maybe it could be re-sealed using epoxy..); this has destroyed its sound.
considering that old gr07 cables are not replaceable, and the difference of price and sound quality, my nerves and my wallet suggest me to go for vivos.
you can play a bit with vent holes to get more sub-bass and so slightly "darker" sound overall.

 

[Cantrell]

I would tend to relate the changes I hear more to continued tip rolling and brain burn-in, but I was somewhere around the 30-40 hour mark (music while in use and playing pink noise otherwise) when I noticed they really starting coming to life.

I lucked out that my Comply tips from old buds fit them perfectly. I've noticed changes within 1st hour of use (sub bass went from overpowering to sitting fairly well in the layers of the mix) and a little bit of small changes over the following 8 hours. MMMV since I didn't get a stock cable.

Main concern mainly tied to getting very harsh, loud, sibilance like sound on every song by Transviolet (a female voice) I've listen to with a certain vocal style she uses frequently. Haven't had that sound on other female voices as of yet. Scratch that, also with Ariana Grande.

Did your treble smooth out and or fall back into the mix better after 40 hours?

 

[thelonius97]

...purchased a dozen of vivo xe800 from three different shops in ali.

Which shops? Did they come loose or with retail packaging?

 

[vector84]

I lucked out that my Comply tips from old buds fit them perfectly. I've noticed changes within 1st hour of use (sub bass went from overpowering to sitting fairly well in the layers of the mix) and a little bit of small changes over the following 8 hours. MMMV since I didn't get a stock cable.

Main concern mainly tied to getting very harsh, loud, sibilance like sound on every song by Transviolet (a female voice) I've listen to with a certain vocal style she uses frequently. Haven't had that sound on other female voices as of yet. Scratch that, also with Ariana Grande.

Did your treble smooth out and or fall back into the mix better after 40 hours?

@crabdog certainly suggested giving them a chance to settle and smooth out.

I'm inclined to think tip rolling might help? Personally I was searching for a little more crispness to the treble, not less, and it took me a while to find tips that really brought the treble to life - I found the treble to be quite subdued with a lot of the tips I was trying actually. I'm thinking it might have something to do with insertion depth and tip bore size, perhaps?

 

[hakuzen]

Which shops? Did they come loose or with retail packaging?

all of them loose, in a single cheap plastic bag (those which came in a box, "retail packaging", were cheaper and all fake at that moment).
got from 4 shops, but none of them sell xe800 now:
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/318282
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/1754602
https://beteran.aliexpress.com/store/830146
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/1213684
(in order of purchase data; last one has got great reputation)

you can find info of how to recognize the fake ones from the "legits", along with measurements of lot of them, in my posts of Vivo XE800 thread, and of Chinese / Asian brand thread,
like https://www.head-fi.org/threads/rev...audio-perfection.726119/page-40#post-13133274
or https://www.head-fi.org/threads/chi...phones-and-iems.820747/page-249#post-13054995
or https://www.head-fi.org/threads/chi...phones-and-iems.820747/page-250#post-13055090
just search for "vivo" keyword in my posts.
we discussed a lot about that last year..

 

[thelonius97]

all of them loose, in a single cheap plastic bag (those which came in a box, "retail packaging", were cheaper and all fake at that moment).
got from 4 shops, but none of them sell xe800 now:
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/318282
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/1754602
https://beteran.aliexpress.com/store/830146
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/1213684
(in order of purchase data; last one has got great reputation)

you can find info of how to recognize the fake ones from the "legits", along with measurements of lot of them, in my posts of Vivo XE800 thread, and of Chinese / Asian brand thread,
like https://www.head-fi.org/threads/rev...audio-perfection.726119/page-40#post-13133274
or https://www.head-fi.org/threads/chi...phones-and-iems.820747/page-249#post-13054995
or https://www.head-fi.org/threads/chi...phones-and-iems.820747/page-250#post-13055090
just search for "vivo" keyword in my posts.
we discussed a lot about that last year..

Thanks a bunch.

 

[hakuzen]

Thanks a bunch.

yw. i only find 2 being sold at ali now:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/XE8...e-automatically-adjusted-ear/32675025145.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Ori...one-with-mic-for-smartphones/32649424538.html
both legit, but more expensive than last year.

 

[Cantrell]

@crabdog certainly suggested giving them a chance to settle and smooth out.

I'm inclined to think tip rolling might help? Personally I was searching for a little more crispness to the treble, not less, and it took me a while to find tips that really brought the treble to life - I found the treble to be quite subdued with a lot of the tips I was trying actually. I'm thinking it might have something to do with insertion depth and tip bore size, perhaps?

I've messed around with angles and depth without too much change. I'll give tip rolling a try after I get 40 hours break in on the NC50 completed. The tips I've been using are the comply 200 I think, extremely common size for cheaper earbuds in the States. They have a debris screen of some kind to keep the nasty off the drivers.

Since no one else has had anything remotely similar, I'd guess it's the cable. Metallurgy of base wire, plating and or connectors/solder used on the cable. Some silver solder like Johnson brand, I find pretty harsh. Others like Mundorf Silver Gold and Cardas I find a bit muffled while WBT Silver w lead I find nearly perfect.

The cable I bought off Amazon.com is MOKOSE 3.5mm to MMCX Shure, silver plated for $21 w 4 year extended coverage. Seems fairly well built overall. Decent shaping for over ears though the single bendy wire can shift a bit when shaping pulling it off to the sides a bit. All connectors seem solidly built. Cable jacket seems solid as well. Nice color scheme to it being all silver colored and white.

I do have some sensitivity to harsh treble sounds of all types even though with home and auto systems as well as guitar stuff I always have treble dialed up high.

With my Silver plated Morrow Audio Cables... they take A LOT of hours to break in and settle (200-400+ hrs) my main 2 trains of thought are the cable needs to break in and or the cable accentuates a frequency peak that the NC50 also have.

 

[vector84]

@Cantrell:

A quick jaunt with my PC out (@77 ohms) didn't really scream any huge changes at me (well once I fixed the grounding problem, but that's nothing new for mic'd cables at times) so I wouldn't tend to think cables make a huge difference for them, but YMMV of course. The stock cable is obnoxiously stiff though - to the point where it's only saved and made usable by having a chin slider.

I will say that I really had a tough time noticing much in the way of differences on the first day of tip rolling, and really had to push the volume up a little more than I'm happy with to hear differences clearly enough for something to stand out as better for me.


Listening with some large chifoams T400 size inserted to a borderline uncomfortable depth (about the same fit I remember getting from real Comply) and I can certainly hear some stuff that borders on almost sibilant at times. I'll try some work from the artists you mentioned a bit later and see how they treat me.

 

[Vidal]

Today's arrivals

• Tinaudio T2
• BVGP DM5
• PMH Hybrid

Tinaudio very impressive with a sound signature I like, need to give the DM5 and PMH more ear time before commenting