[Slater]

Though I oddly don't hate my KBear F1. I prefer DD only setups at the lower end of the market but the F1 is very competent.

I didn't tried the Kbear, but a friend of mine did, he said those have way less detail but also less brilliant than ZSN Pro, i don't know if they are worth it against those

It depends on which F1. There’s 4 different ones. I own 3 of the 4, and the Bellsing version is noticeably better than the others. Hopefully I can get my hands on the 4th and final variant someday.

 

[DBaldock9]

It depends on which F1. There’s 4 different ones. I own 3 of the 4, and the Bellsing version is noticeably better than the others. Hopefully I can get my hands on the 4th and final variant someday.

Does the Bellsing model have 32257 on the BA?

 

[SoraNeko]

It depends on which F1. There’s 4 different ones. I own 3 of the 4, and the Bellsing version is noticeably better than the others. Hopefully I can get my hands on the 4th and final variant someday.

4? no way i'm taking the risk of getting the right one.. thanks for the info tho, if they want to compete against more established brands like KZ, TRN, Fiio or Tin, than they should avoid making defective or beta units..

 

[Slater]

Does the Bellsing model have 32257 on the BA?

Yes, and the big circular ‘B’ Bellsing logo:



The 4th driver (that I don’t own yet) also says 32257, but it’s not a Bellsing. It’s just some random/generic manufacturer 32257 driver that has yet to be identified:

 

[Slater]

4? no way i'm taking the risk of getting the right one.. thanks for the info tho, if they want to compete against more established brands like KZ, TRN, Fiio or Tin, than they should avoid making defective or beta units..

Yes, it was a misstep for sure.

Apparently, their factory did all the different driver variants unbeknownst to them. KB Ear says that the 1 “true” version is the Bellsing driver.

But as you alluded to, with 4 possible drivers available, it’s literally a gamble as to which one you get. You have a 1 in 4 (25%) chance of getting the ‘good’ one, which isn’t the best odds.

I’ve bought 3, and only 1 turned out to be a Bellsing. Heck, they even sent me a replacement one, specifically because it was SUPPOSED to have the Bellsing driver, and it turned out to have a generic Tehnz driver in it lol. So even they’re not sure which ones have which driver, and they make the darn things lol!

It really is a sad situation, because for the money the Bellsing is really a decent earphone. Nice, clean sound.

 

[jant71]

I think the F1 is gonna be the next Massdrop Blue Box item all by itself.

Which one will you get???

 

[DBaldock9]

Yes, and the big circular ‘B’ Bellsing logo:



The 4th driver (that I don’t own yet) also says 32257, but it’s not a Bellsing. It’s just some random/generic manufacturer 32257 driver that has yet to be identified:

The pair I've got is labeled similarly to the lower photo - but doesn't have any text on the line with the 32257 (no characters preceding, and no numbers following).
The lower line of numbers is: 20910216

Do you know if there are any shops that will definitely ship a set with the Bellsing BA driver?

 

[Slater]

The pair I've got is labeled similarly to the lower photo - but doesn't have any text on the line with the 32257 (no characters preceding, and no numbers following).
The lower line of numbers is: 20910216

Do you know if there are any shops that will definitely ship a set with the Bellsing BA driver?

Can you post a closeup photo of yours? If yours don’t look like any others, then you might have a previously-unknown 5th variant!

And no, there’s no shop that specifically sells the Bellsing one. They are all in sealed boxes, so no one knows what’s inside. The issue happened during manufacturing, so they’re all randomly mixed together.

It would be like knowing which shops sell winning lottery tickets or which Wonka bars have golden tickets.

Unfortunately, the only way to know which units have the Bellsing driver is to open the box up and examine the driver with a magnifying glass.

At least most of the F1 colors are transparent, so we are lucky enough to even be able to see which driver a given pair has installed. I can only imagine the nightmare if the only colors available were solid opaque colors! Then the only way to know would be to destructively cut apart the earphone

 

[w012345]

Have anyone tried the blon 03 and the tfz s2?. I would like to know how do they compare.

 

[mbwilson111]

It depends on which F1. There’s 4 different ones. I own 3 of the 4, and the Bellsing version is noticeably better than the others. Hopefully I can get my hands on the 4th and final variant someday.

Looks like you might have to visit us one day. I don't see myself traveling back to Michigan again. The F1 that I have, the 4th variant, does sound good to me. But, you know me... I like almost everything...

for the money the Bellsing is really a decent earphone. Nice, clean sound.

This is how I hear my F1 actually. Also I find it very comfortable.

 

[DBaldock9]

Can you post a closeup photo of yours? If yours don’t look like any others, then you might have a previously-unknown 5th variant!

And no, there’s no shop that specifically sells the Bellsing one. They are all in sealed boxes, so no one knows what’s inside. The issue happened during manufacturing, so they’re all randomly mixed together.

It would be like knowing which shops sell winning lottery tickets or which Wonka bars have golden tickets.

Unfortunately, the only way to know which units have the Bellsing driver is to open the box up and examine the driver with a magnifying glass.

At least most of the F1 colors are transparent, so we are lucky enough to even be able to see which driver a given pair has installed. I can only imagine the nightmare if the only colors available were solid opaque colors! Then the only way to know would be to destructively cut apart the earphone

Here's a photo, with the numbers on both BAs shown.
Since the lower numbers are different, they may be Batch or Serial numbers.
.

 

[Tonymac136]

Mine is totally blank. It sounds better than I expected but not up with my DD stuff.

On which - how much better is the 9 tails than the Blon BL03? I can (just) afford it. It is on sale for £68 til tonight and I have 91 quid to last til Monday. But don't want to splash out on a sidegrade. Kinda fancy a pair of planar IEMs and this purchase would slow that down for a month or so.

 

[Slater]

Here's a photo, with the numbers on both BAs shown.
Since the lower numbers are different, they may be Batch or Serial numbers.
.

Yes, like you said that’s an internal tracking number of some sort.

Your driver is unlike any other reported F1 drivers.

So it is now official - there’s another verified driver variant!

1. Bellsing 32257, which KB Ear states is the “ultimate version” (https://www.head-fi.org/threads/kb-ear-audio-impressions-thread.912673/page-3#post-15136982):


2. Tehnz 29898 (this could be considered the same as #3):


3. Generic Tehnz (no identifying marks whatsoever, but I’ve verified it is 100% audibly & visually identical to the Tehnz 29898). Technically, this is a separate F1 variant, but from a strictly sonic standpoint it's the same as #2. The only difference between the drivers is 1 has Tehnz markings and the other has no markings.


4. EB32257-000 driver, manufacturer unknown (it might be a company called E-Audio, but I am still researching this):



5. Your generic 32257 with no logo, manufacturer unknown:


Wow, I’m speechless...what a clusterf***k

BTW, I own #1, #2, and #3. If anyone in the US has #4 or #5, I’d greatly appreciate you sending me a PM please.

 

[steviewonderbread]

Yes, like you said that’s an internal tracking number of some sort.

Your driver is unlike any other reported F1 drivers.

So it is now official - there’s another verified driver variant!

I don't own an F1 but I'm having a blast following this madness. Great detective work

 

[Slater]

I don't own an F1 but I'm having a blast following this madness. Great detective work

Haha, it is madness