Hi everyone, Like the title says, I'm looking for neutral, closed and not Made in China (or Taiwan etc.) headphones. If possible that doesn't need amp, but not necesserily, I want to know both. And of course, less expensive it is, better it is. I'm posting in full-size section because if I understand well, the best neutral are full-size ones. But I'm not looking exclusively for them. The advantage of the full size is also the comfort. Actually, I'm looking for at least few month for headphones. I'm listening to this kind of music, it's corded music. It's sometimes very energic and/or polyphonic (see Mystical Hymns, Chapi, Hyms, Hal Parka...) so I need very precise sound, and that can support a lot of notes in a little time (to 12 notes in one second). But some music are very soft also (Grey CD). There is also sometimes a male voice, that would love to listen clearly. But I'm not buying at all non-ILO-standards products, for isntance, Made in China products. There is no topic excluding these stuff, it's why I'm opening a new one. I've beginning with Audio Technica. The ESW9 reproduces well the intimist ambiance of this music, but it lacks of transparancy. The ES88 has more precision, but lacks from fidelity. The ESW11 is better, but too expensive for what it is. I would have bought the m50, whose sound I very like, but all are made in Taiwan... My current choice is therefore the ESW9, if I don't find any better. I've seen that the Headstage Arrow 12HE is Made in Germany, so I could combine it with something. Grados (made in USA) are all open. Sennheiser high-quality Made in Germany headphones seem to be all open. I've seen the AKG Q701 (made in Austria), but it's open. And it doesn't seem that AKG makes closed made in Austria neutral headphones. What do you think about that : There is the Beyerdynamic DT 770 (Made in Germany), but it seems to have more bass... The AKG 272 HD who seems to be made in Austria too... But they have the advantages to not to need amps, is the sound of the others a lot better ? And beetween them ? The Sony MDR V600 is perhaps made in Japan. Yamaha seems to manufacture in Japan. What do they do as neutral ? Is the RH5MA good ? Finally, I'm wondering the best solution is to buy one Audio Technica full-size headphones. Don't hesitate to tell me any other suggestion... Thank you so much for the help !