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best headphone for Harman Target?
Dec 10, 2019 at 10:04 AM Post #3 of 87
n5005, they were made per the curve. if you want "close" search on google for harmann curve testing you can find some that are in the ballpark. laugh all you want, but the beatsx wireless are pretty close to the curve and i actually enjoy them a lot.
 
Feb 3, 2020 at 8:22 PM Post #5 of 87
Reinhold said:
hi,

ive seen a lot of eq settings for several headphone on reddit and asked myself what will be the best headphone to archive the harman target curved.

any ideas?
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As far as Harman consumer models that closely meet the Harman Target Curves: the AKG N700 MI1 comes very close with a predicted score of 92% based on measured deviations from the Target Curve (see measurement below). For IE models the Samsung Galaxy Buds come very close, as does the AKG N5005. In general, all the new AKG headphones are designed to the Harman Target, and JBL headphones are designed to the same target with 3 dB extra bass to satisfy the tastes of the targeted demographic.
 

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Mar 15, 2020 at 6:17 PM Post #6 of 87
Great topic. As I understand it, there are two versions of the Harman target. Which is being referred to here?

My wife's two year old car has a Harman sound system. I had expected it to sound mediocre but its actually quite listenable. So I am thinking there is something to the Harman curve. For what its worth, the Meridian system in my car sounds similar, so I am guessing that it is close to Harman also.

I have given in to the hype train and do have the Blon BL-03. I think they are supposed to be pretty close to the curve. They sound quite good and for the price are amazing. I suspect my preferred sound for IEMs etc. is pretty close to Harman.

I have the Apple Airpod Pros also. They sound better than I had expected; wonder how far from Harman those are.
 
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Mar 17, 2020 at 10:43 PM Post #7 of 87
I have AirPod Pros. They sound good, but not spot on. My main headphones sound better. The thing to remember is that the Harman curve is averaged from a range of preferences of a lot of people being sampled. You may not prefer the center of the bell curve yourself. It's always best to audition transducers so you know what you are getting. If you can get close, you can EQ the rest of the way if you need to.
 
Jun 26, 2020 at 12:02 AM Post #8 of 87
originalsnuffy said:
Great topic. As I understand it, there are two versions of the Harman target. Which is being referred to here?
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Latest versions of the Harman curves (from S. Olive's Twitter)...

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As others have often mentioned, these are only for rough approximation purposes. Especially in the treble where some peaks and valleys are normal, depending on the measuring system being used. These are for raw DRP (drum reference point) frequency response measurements, taken from within the ear btw. (Something which is not often mentioned, but hopefully understood by most users.)
 
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Jun 26, 2020 at 12:18 AM Post #9 of 87
Based on the graphs and also anecdotal opinions, the Sennheiser HD 600 and HD 650 are pretty close in the treble and midrange.

https://www.rtings.com/headphones/1-4/graph#325/4011
https://www.rtings.com/headphones/1-4/graph#325/4012

https://www.rtings.com/headphones/1-4/graph#245/4011
https://www.rtings.com/headphones/1-4/graph#245/4012

The Senn 58X Jubilee is also pretty close in the treble and midrange, and a little better extended in the bass than the two above...

https://www.rtings.com/headphones/1-4/graph#891/4011
https://www.rtings.com/headphones/1-4/graph#891/4012
 
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Jun 26, 2020 at 12:26 AM Post #10 of 87
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Jun 26, 2020 at 12:59 AM Post #11 of 87
Tonmeister2008 said:
As far as Harman consumer models that closely meet the Harman Target Curves: the AKG N700 MI1 comes very close with a predicted score of 92% based on measured deviations from the Target Curve (see measurement below). For IE models the Samsung Galaxy Buds come very close, as does the AKG N5005. In general, all the new AKG headphones are designed to the Harman Target, and JBL headphones are designed to the same target with 3 dB extra bass to satisfy the tastes of the targeted demographic.
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Rtings plots of the Wireless AKG N700NC...

https://www.rtings.com/headphones/1-4/graph#707/4011
https://www.rtings.com/headphones/1-4/graph#707/4012

These are close in the bass and midrange, But they appear to be on the brighter side in the treble and upper midrange. The peak at 3 kHz appears to be almost twice the amplitude of the current Harman over-ear target curve on the right channel on these graphs. The general shape of the curve in the treble is fairly close though

Based on some comments in the Rtings review, this HP appears to use DSP to achieve a more balanced response in the bass, which may result in small latency.
 
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Jun 26, 2020 at 4:32 PM Post #15 of 87
I've had trouble figuring out how close cans are to F-M. A lot of the measurement sites apply compensation curves, and it's hard to figure out what the true measurement it.
 
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