Best headphone amps today for under 500 dollars

Aug 1, 2006 at 7:11 PM Post #32 of 63
I guess I'm not a serious listener, since I don't like excessive harmonic distortion
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Aug 1, 2006 at 7:45 PM Post #33 of 63
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Originally Posted by Iron_Dreamer
I guess I'm not a serious listener, since I don't like excessive harmonic distortion
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So all tube amps and people who listen to them are characterized by excessive harmonic distortion?
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C'mmon fellas, let's try to stay out the gutters on both sides of the road, ok?
 
Aug 1, 2006 at 8:22 PM Post #34 of 63
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Originally Posted by kwkarth
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So all tube amps and people who listen to them are characterized by excessive harmonic distortion?
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C'mmon fellas, let's try to stay out the gutters on both sides of the road, ok?



Which brings up an interesting question: are there any tubes/tube implimentations that have an overall level of harmonic distortion similar to the best solid state designs?

Tubes are lauded for musicality and warmth, but technically can they also bring sheer accuracy and transparency (actual, not perceived).
 
Aug 1, 2006 at 8:30 PM Post #35 of 63
No votes/reccos for the Woo Audio 3? Has to be the best $500 headphone amp period, in my humble (owner's) opinion of course. Seriously it kicks serious butt at that price with some NOS tubes like Tungsol 5998's. I've heard the Singlepower's and you have to spend over $1000 with them to beat the Woo 3. It's just OK with stock OEM tubes but NOS rolling takes it to a whole nuther level. Cheers!
 
Aug 1, 2006 at 8:46 PM Post #36 of 63
Pete7

It is his gospel and I think he believes it. With his experience he probably has some basis for having this opinion.

drarthurwells:

Edit: Just going back over this thread I just noticed your sig. answers most of this question.

Which high end SS amps have you heard to come to this conclusion? No judgement implied here.


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Originally Posted by Pete7
This is your opinion, stated as if it were Gospel. I prefer solid state over tubes because that is my preference, and it doesn't make me any less of a "serious" listener for it. As a former musician, I don't need to hold a seance to listen in a concentrated manner, it comes automatic.


 
Aug 1, 2006 at 9:09 PM Post #37 of 63
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Originally Posted by TheSloth
Which brings up an interesting question: are there any tubes/tube implimentations that have an overall level of harmonic distortion similar to the best solid state designs?

Tubes are lauded for musicality and warmth, but technically can they also bring sheer accuracy and transparency (actual, not perceived).



If you compare like topologies, yes. The thing is, that in tube amps, hd tends to be even order products, while in solid state designs the hd products tend to be odd order. Humans typically find odd order harmonic distortions to be more objectionable and dissonant than even order products. As with most rules, there are always exceptions.

With that said, as my profile shows, I have a number of SS amps that I absolutely love and I find no fault with them on an audible distortion basis.
 
Aug 1, 2006 at 9:16 PM Post #38 of 63
$500? Gilmore Lite w/DPS for a solid state amp

Also look at the Woo Audio 3 at the $490 price point.
 
Aug 2, 2006 at 1:49 AM Post #39 of 63
The ear has a lot of harmonic distortion (HD) because it has lots of moving parts that vibrate inside. The ear actually generates noise by itself when there is no signal (think of the ear as an active amplifier that has idle noise). The ear has so much HD that it easily masks the hamonic distortion of tubes for the large part. However, the ear's harmonic distortion is mainly low-order and decays rapidly when n gets higher. SS amps may have lower overall HD but if it has even a tiny bit of higher-order HD, it could be quite audible. Don't forget the ear has 130 dB dynamic and can hear 20 dB into the noise when there is no masking. Triode vacuum tubes may have a lot of HD but if it is mainly low-order stuff and easily masked by the ear itself. Speakers have lots of HD but also low order stuff. Therefore even the best speakers appear to have a lot of distortion on paper but can still sound very transparent. Digital sources generally measure with very little HD, but those tiny jitter artifacts not harmonically related to the signal can be quite detrimental as well, though they may be only -100 dBFS.

Now the myth about intermodulation distortion, IMD. The ear has a lot of IMD, too. In fact IMD can be mathematically calculated from HD, for the ear and for the amp without feedback. IMD produced by amplifiers without feedback are masked by the ear in the same manner as HD. What happens when there is feedback? Then there is transient IMD that is signal dependent and not harmonically related to the input. The more feedback, the worse the transient IMD. These are quite detrimental. It's not that feedback is all evil. Without feedback no amplification can be linear. Tubes are a lot more linear than transistors in open loop circuits so less feedback can be used in tube amps in general. However, there are also tube and SS designs that uses no minimal global feedback. But there is still local feedback anyway.

We can measure the "quantity" of amplifier distortion easily and accurately with FFT analyzers, but we can't measure the the "quality." Scientific instruments can measure more accurately than the ear can hear--that's a fact (come on, scientists are even measuring gravitational wave nowadays, and they definitely can measure amplifier distortion). But only the ear can determine the quality. There is already living proof that some distortion makes things sound better, not worse. In some state-of-the-art digital equalizers, the CPUs are so powerful that it can alter FR without any mathematical artifacts. But engineers still find these equalizer to sound worse than the classic tube equalizer. So they measure the distortion of tube equalizers and program the distortion into their math algorithm. Lo and behold, the newest digital EQ achieves amazing sound by intentionally adding the right distortion, not eliminating them.

Is this saying that direct heated triode and zero-feedback amplifier sounds the best? Not really. But many say such an amp can have 10% 2nd-order HD and still sound very transparent. Every amp design has shortcomings. An amplification device that is totally distortionless, immensely powerful and super linear simply does not exist, and the "quality" of distortions are still poorly understood.

If the history of audio has taught us anything, it is that any reasonable amplification device can be used to build great sounding amplifiers, including all kinds of tubes, transistors, ICs or even fast-switching transistors (class D and derivatives). Fighting about tube vs SS makes no sense.
 
Aug 2, 2006 at 4:10 AM Post #40 of 63
Good post Ferbose!
Thanks!
 
Aug 2, 2006 at 5:11 AM Post #42 of 63
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Originally Posted by kwkarth
Since the MP5's power requirements are modest, you might want to consider getting the US version, which is reputed to be slightly better quality, and use a 220v to 110v step down transformer to down-convert the voltage. The transformers are relatively inexpensive.
Click here for link to step down transformers
Click here for Step down and voltage Stabilizers

The EHG5751 tubes have 70% of the gain of the 12AX7s and seem to be perfect for many headphones including the K1000s. Audiolineout.com sells the US Dared MP5 for a fair price.



About the step down transformers. I have a bunch. Problem is that the ones I have are all two prong and i'd have to bypass the ground part of the original US versions plug. Will this degrade sound quality or add noise? Is it still better to get this instead of the 220 volt version to avoid extra noise or is the US version with the 12ax7s just that much better than the asian versions anyway that it wont matter anymore
Side question. How many watts is the power consumption of the dared?
 
Aug 2, 2006 at 5:50 AM Post #43 of 63
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Originally Posted by donunus
About the step down transformers. I have a bunch. Problem is that the ones I have are all two prong and i'd have to bypass the ground part of the original US versions plug. Will this degrade sound quality or add noise? Is it still better to get this instead of the 220 volt version to avoid extra noise or is the US version with the 12ax7s just that much better than the asian versions anyway that it wont matter anymore
Side question. How many watts is the power consumption of the dared?



As far as grounding goes, you can always ground it separately. Since your existing transformers are only two prong, you may want to consider investing in a higher quality model. I can't find my spec sheet, but I'm pretty sure it's well under 200w power consumption. You should buy a step down x-former rated for no less than 500w for stability & safety.
 
Aug 2, 2006 at 9:34 AM Post #45 of 63
The best amp I've heard (and warrented, I haven't heard a lot) has been the Bottlehead S.E.X. amp. I love the thing, and it sounds much, much better than it's price tag. I know of it because I go to Whitman College in Walla Walla, and a friend has one and works at Cain & Cain speakers, and they have ordered a lot of em.
 

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