Bangraman AKA Cloth Ears talks about the ATH-EM7.

Dec 23, 2002 at 4:20 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 13

bangraman

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Got these from mtillman. Sorry I couldn't stay and chat but I had somewhere else to be.
They seem more or less broken in. I happened to have an Eggo D66SL to compare with, as well as my memory of the Sennheiser PX200...so here's my opinion on the ATH-EM7.
First thing is looks, I'm sure this has been talked about before but for the record, they make the PX200's look pretty ugly in comparison, and the D66 look like comedy items.
Next up, fit. Since my HUGE head didn't allow the PX200's to fit properly, I'd rate the EM7 over the PX200. But for most people, I think the PX200 would be a more secure fit over the EM7, hanging over the ears as the EM7's do. This is common sense of course. The EM7's don't do a bad job of hanging about reasonably well, I was biking across town with this and it stayed on no problems.
Which brings me on to the next point, sealing. Aha, you say, biking across town with a pair of headphones? Are you mad? Not really with the EM7. They have ZERO sealing. So the PX200 are far more practical for listening as opposed to being constantly distracted by noises around you. Even the D66 seals a bit.
Foldability. Obviously the EM7's being earhangers you have no folding to put up with, it's just a matter of stuffing the phones into the very nice (in both practicality and portability) case.
Sound. It's interesting what I've read about these phones because as I'll get back to later, it's highlighted to me the importance of the source, or should I say what you can do with the source. Thinking the EM7's might be bass deficient mindful of the reviews already, I had a Sony MZ-N707 MD in my backpack. I usually carry my Sharp around but the Sony has a 7-position treble/bass EQ.
In 'regular' position, the sound of which is I suppose similar to most other pieces of portable equipment, the EM7's sounded very bass-deficient and, well generally not that good. Then, I pushed the bass to max on the EQ, backed off the treble one notch...and was rewarded with a sound very similar to the Eggo D66 at 'regular', a HECK of a lot better than the PX200's sounded. That is, if I could hear it. The total lack of sealing made the EM7's impossible to hear properly in noisy places.
The conclusion is that if you have a CDP, you've probably only got Bass Boost and what it'll give you with the boost on the EM7 is 'sort of boom' with tizz. Using a Sony MD with EQ, you'll have much better results and it works pretty well, definitely a lot better than a pair of earphones like the Sennheisers, while being hardly bulkier (and a lot more stylish). So CDP users, if you want to use the EM7, it's probably time to get a real portable
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They are capable of sounding as good as any half-decent phone, but you have to have the right equipment to do so... Overall, I'm not sure if these are a keeper. I'm a gadget-style whore (despite having practically no style myself) so I will probably hang on to these but I might have problems finding a use for them on a regular basis.
 
Dec 23, 2002 at 8:47 PM Post #4 of 13
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Originally posted by bangraman
Got these from mtillman. Sorry I couldn't stay and chat but I had somewhere else to be.
They seem more or less broken in. I happened to have an Eggo D66SL to compare with, as well as my memory of the Sennheiser PX200...


Yes, it was a shame you had to rush off - and I was just about to get busy too.

I would have really liked a listen to your Eggos - I'm not sure if my wallet can hold out much longer and a quick listen might have saved me some wonga (or maybe not). I also take your point about their looks - I'm not sure I'm brave enough to wear them in public. You could have had a listen to my PX200s too, to see if they actually sounded the same as yours...

As far as EQ'ing the EM7s, with the fairly good equaliser on my SlimX, I couldn't get them to sound all that good in the mid/lower bass, and certainly I could detect nothing below about 60Hz under any circumstances (i.e. no organ at all on the wonderful Amazing Blondel's Restoration track 1).

However, the looks and engineering of the EM7s iare really excellent.

I expect to receive the Koss KSC50s tomorrow with the proceeds from the EM7s. I'm afraid I just couldn't endure just about every can being compared to some sort of Koss or other and not knowing whether they are actually any good.
 
Dec 23, 2002 at 8:59 PM Post #5 of 13
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Duncan thinks they're terrible. I didn't think they were that bad. They probably 'stick' more to the ears than the EM7 so you might get some of the bass you're missing. Similar in engineering, but MUCH rougher in execution, even with a cursory glance. I heard they were £35 or something? In that case it's not worth it, might as well put up with the PX200 and get some decent phones or something.
I'm sure we can meet up when there's more time (maybe there'll be three wheelbarrows converging on a London pub next
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Dec 23, 2002 at 10:02 PM Post #6 of 13
That'd be cool...

First weekend in February good??

As to the KSC-50s... I find that they have zero dynamics... a very disappointing performance
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Then again... with my setup, with the sublime HD600s and the Cardas Cable... Everything else sounds pretty crappy now
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Dec 23, 2002 at 10:26 PM Post #8 of 13
Well, I can't say I'm expecting any miracles from the 50s, but I've just got to know, you know.

I still love the PX200s - they get the most use - even in bed. But, yes, everything else does sound crap compared to the 600s. Unfortuneately, no one else in my family appreciates the tizz, tizz, tizz accompanying the televison.

I implore you, Duncan, don't bring that cable with you...
 
Dec 23, 2002 at 10:27 PM Post #9 of 13
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Originally posted by bangraman
Even the A900's ?
(think carefully now...)


If you want the honest answer Bangra... on MY setup (which after all is all that I can reference on) the A900s sound a little nasally compared to the wide open sound i've got from the Senns...

BUT... think about cost... I spent £100 on just the cable for these Senns... when I do the full-on review, i'm going to be using the stock cable on the Senns... that I think will even out the ball-park very nicely in the ATs favour in terms of cost (might even be suitable ~ for the US market to compare the A900s to the HD580s in their stock guise)

lol mtillman... I don't think I have anything portable that is good enough to show the Senns off at their best...

(hehe... could always bring the Meta42 along for an airing
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Dec 23, 2002 at 10:33 PM Post #10 of 13
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Originally posted by Duncan
If you want the honest answer Bangra... on MY setup (which after all is all that I can reference on) the A900s sound a little nasally compared to the wide open sound i've got from the Senns...


I KNEW you were going to say that. I could tell from the standard Senns. But the A900's are fully closed, given which I think the sound is a major feat.
I think I will probably have to wave the A1000 in your direction. and I'll probably have the W1000 by the next meet.






We really are geeks, aren't we
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Or maybe it's just me. Yes, I think it's me...
 
Dec 24, 2002 at 12:38 AM Post #11 of 13
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Originally posted by bangraman
We really are geeks, aren't we
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Or maybe it's just me. Yes, I think it's me...


I'm saying nothing
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Hey... at least we're in apparent agreement though... if you knew what I was going to say about the A900s...

The bass is really starting to firm up nicely on the Senns now by the way... give it another week... and maybe the ATs strong point (the quality of their bass) could be under threat also.....
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Dec 24, 2002 at 12:41 AM Post #12 of 13
I'm still glad I got the px200s, but I'm also really glad I got these em7s for my husband, he's a total gadget whore too (so am I), and if they sound better than his B&O a8s (should that be hard?), he'll use these on looks alone. I've resisted the urge to take them out of the package to play with before wrapping, but they do look cool.
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Dec 24, 2002 at 12:44 AM Post #13 of 13
plainsong...

Even though the A8s do look pretty cool, I think the brushed aliminium finish of the EM7s takes some beating...

Also, almost undoubtedly they will sound better than the midrange keen, bass and treble shy A8s that he currently uses
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