Auzentech X-Fi Prelude vs Audigy 2 ZS?

Nov 30, 2008 at 6:04 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 13

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Hey!

I am owning Audio-Technica ATH-A500 headphones without AMP with Audigy 2 soundcard, and i would like to know will Auzentech's card make a big improvement over Audigy?

I thought i'd let myself to spend some "copecks" on a new soundcard, though i wouldn't buy a AMP. Or should i buy an AMP to Audigy instead of a new soundcard?

I bought the ATH-A500 headphones long time ago with the purpose it didn't need to be AMPed to get a nice sound while others in the same price range had to be AMPed.

I am listening to music most of the times, and sometimes watching movies.

Thanks for explaining!
 
Nov 30, 2008 at 7:08 PM Post #2 of 13
The Prelude would offer a significant upgrade over the Audigy 2.

Have you considered any of the Xonar cards? they offer some nice features and great sound quality also. ANy modern card would be a nice upgrade over the older Audigy 2 ZS..
 
Nov 30, 2008 at 7:18 PM Post #3 of 13
Why i'm talking about the Prelude here is the fact i could get it in local store for a nice price ($120). It's a good call considering the fact i live in Europe.

Is the Xonar card any better for music, for example?
 
Nov 30, 2008 at 8:51 PM Post #5 of 13
If you don't need the gaming aspects, I'd avoid the Prelude in preference of other soundcards or maybe an external DAC (Prelude owner here).
Club 3D Theatron Agrippa DTS (rebadged Sondigo Inferno/X-Plosion for the European market) or maybe HT Claro Plus?

External DAC is also an option.
 
Nov 30, 2008 at 9:18 PM Post #7 of 13
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Okay, but i don't think external DAC will improve sound quality or the richness, it just allows you more bass and higher volumes without crackling


Yeah it does, it's a DAC. It's one of the main parts of any sound system and every soundcard has an internal DAC. It's the thing that reproduces the sound.
 
Dec 2, 2008 at 12:42 AM Post #9 of 13
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So, external DAC to Audigy would be better than, lets say, HT Claro Plus without DAC?

Edit: Is DAC the same thing as AMP? I really am noob in this topic..




A Digital to Analog Convertor (DAC) takes a digital music source (say, a CD or MP3/WAV file, which are basically data files of 1's and 0's), and converts it to an analog waveform signal so it can be output to your speaker/headphones.

You can't play a digital music file at all without having a DAC of some sort somewhere in your system (like a soundcard). And, since the human voice and most musical instruments are analog in nature, how close the resulting sound of a digital file gets to the original music depends in large part on how well your DAC converts that digitally-encoded file back into an approximation of the original analog signal.

An Amp, well, um, amplifies the signal.
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In simplest terms it increased the peaks and valleys (amplitude) of an analog signal right before it gets sent to the speakers/headphones. The end result being an increase in clarity, details, soundstage, imaging, sound dynamics, and often overall volume of the music being played. Kinda like turning up the contrast and sharpness on a TV. You don't need to have an amp in your system, but not having one will result in a sound that is comparatively mushy, indistinct, congested, flat and dull.

All sounds cards have a DAC, although many newer cards have the ability to bypass the built-in DAC and pass the unconverted digital signal to an outside (presumably better) DAC to do the conversion. Many sounds cards also have amplification of some sort, although a few provide a line-out (unamplified) signal.

A card like the HT Claro+ has an excellent DAC (AKM4396) and a pretty good built-in amp as well (AD8620BR). IMO for you this would be a better solution than going from an Audigy2 -> external DAC, since the Audigy2 can't output a bit-perfect digital signal. The Audigy architecture will internally convert any digital signal to a sampling rate of 48KHz before sending it to the digital out. And it doesn't do the conversion very well, so a digital source like a cd (which has a 44.1KHz sampling rate - most mp3's use this rate as well) will sound slightly distorted when using its digital out, so much of the benefit of using an external DAC would be lost.

As to your OP, I think the Prelude is a great card, and IMO is most likely on par with a card like the claro+ (especially if you replace the LM4562 opamp on the Prelude with something else like an LT1361, which can be easily done with a steady hand and a $5 chip extractor or pair of needlenose pliers).

For $120 the Prelude would be a steal, and unless you can get an Asus Xonar HDAV/D2X/D2 (in that order) or a Claro+ for a similar price I'd say get the Prelude. It's a big step up from an Audigy 2 (For reference, I've owned all these cards but the claro+ and the Xonar D2X).
 
Dec 2, 2008 at 1:11 AM Post #10 of 13
Yeah, $120 for a Prelude is pretty amazing. I would be all over that and I already have the fully modded Zero.
 
Dec 2, 2008 at 5:09 PM Post #11 of 13
Thanks for the deep explanation there, Alydon

You got me interested there..

For example, if i'd get the Prelude would an external AMP and/or DAC get even more result? With my headphones that are low-budget hifi headphones, so they call it:>

Edit: as for that op-amp you mentioned, well, it doesn't seem to be available in my country.. any other recommendation? what are the prices for them?
 
Dec 3, 2008 at 1:42 AM Post #12 of 13
Glad I could help, Al.
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I've never heard the ATH-A500's before so I can't really comment on those cans specifically. However, my Koss KSC-55's, KSC-75's, Senn HD590's, and Beyer DT990's (2005 edition) all benefitted from using an external amp w/ the Prelude. They all still sounded great straight out of the card, DT990's suffered more than the others unamped since their generally harder to drive than the others.

The DAC on the Prelude (AKM4396 - same as the claro+) is already quite good though, so I suspect that you'd have to spend a few hundred dollars on a separate external DAC to see a noticeable improvement. However, there are certainly better external DAC's out there.

BTW, I purchased the LT1361 opamp for ~$7 from http://www.digikey.com. At the bottom of their homepage there are links to their other online stores in Austria, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, and the UK. Maybe you could get it from one of those stores? I only tried 4-5 different opamps, but the lt1361 was the one I liked the best so I would recommend getting that one if you can.
 

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