[Hifi Man]

So I had a chance to talk to the people on the 4chan.com board /g/ who basically said the akg k550 doesn't sound good, and I should get the audiotechnica m50s because they have a warm sound signature that I like compared to my AKG K240, but they're also isolating, which the akg k550s aren't. I was also told that the shure shr440 sounds very similar to the sony v6 headphones. Therefor those are probably not what I'm looking for.
 
What I am looking for is a closed, isolating headphone for on the go use through my iPod. I don't really care for my sony V6. I never thought I'd actually be considering the audiotechnica ath m50.
 
Here's the thread I got my info from.
 
 

Spoiler: Warning%3A%20Spoiler!

 
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Man, having the whole day to myself, I'll tell ya. I've done nothing but look up headphones all day. I almost ordered the Shure shr440 headphones and returned my Sony V6 headphones. That was until I saw the ohm of the shr 440. Those would not be good for iPod use.

I'm straight up obsessed with this. Maybe I should just stick to the AKG K240 and Sony V6 combo. I just wish I could find something that sounds better than the Sony V6. If I ended up getting the AKG550. I think I would probably end up returning both the V6 and the K240, because I'd have isolation and sound quality in one. 

I've contemplated getting the sennheiser momentum, but I'm afraid they'd be to revealing for my poorly recorded metal I listen to, and just too expensive. I've been contemplating getting the AKG K550, but I'm afraid they're too big for me to take around with me and the permanent cable could possibly break. I'm afraid to get the V-Moda, because although build wise they're perfect, I'm not into a whole lot of bass.

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 Anonymous 05/22/13(Wed)18:18 No.33990731 [size=0.8em !important] Replies: >>33990865 >>33990889[/size]

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>>33990685 (OP)

K550s are pretty neat if you like the feeling of razor blades being shot into your ears due to the excessive high frequency response and resonance.

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 Anonymous 05/22/13(Wed)18:18 No.33990740

>>33990685 (OP)

>I've contemplated getting the sennheiser momentum, but I'm afraid they'd be to revealing for my poorly recorded metal I listen to

Nah, the Momentums have rather rolled-off treble response.

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 Anonymous 05/22/13(Wed)18:19 No.33990747

>44 ohms
>bad for iPod use
uwotm8

Maybe you should do a little more research about headphone specs

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 Anonymous 05/22/13(Wed)18:19 No.33990760 [size=0.8em !important] Replies: >>33990852[/size]

>but I'm afraid they're too big for me to take around with me and the permanent cable could possibly break
>I'm not into a whole lot of bass
If you live in Europe, consider Teufel Aureol Real. You can refund within 8 weeks in case you don't like them.
They don't isolate at all, though.

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 Anonymous 05/22/13(Wed)18:23 No.33990852 [size=0.8em !important] Replies: >>33990885[/size]

>>33990760
That's good to know that they don't isolate well. I'll definitely knock them a notch down on my list. I think it looks like it's down to the sennheiser momentum, but I really want something cheaper.

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 Anonymous 05/22/13(Wed)18:24 No.33990865 [size=0.8em !important] Replies: >>33990908[/size]

>>33990731
>measurements made with a sponge

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 Anonymous 05/22/13(Wed)18:24 No.33990885 [size=0.8em !important] Replies: >>33990914[/size]

>>33990852 (You)

Why haven't you considered the ATH-M50? You're the anon who complained the V6s have too much treble, right? You'd probably love the M50s.

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 Anonymous 05/22/13(Wed)18:25 No.33990889 [size=0.8em !important] Replies: >>33990930[/size]

>>33990731
I have no idea how to read one of these charts

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 Anonymous 05/22/13(Wed)18:25 No.33990908 [size=0.8em !important] Replies: >>33991019[/size]

>>33990865

Please explain, in detail, with credible sources as references, how Purrin's setup could produce inaccurate waterfall plots.

I'll wait. Forever.

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 Anonymous 05/22/13(Wed)18:26 No.33990914 [size=0.8em !important] Replies: >>33990947 >>33990983 >>33990994[/size]

>>33990885
I haven't considered them because I hear they're terrible for metal from a head fi'er

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 Anonymous 05/22/13(Wed)18:26 No.33990930

>>33990889 (You)

tl;dr: Treble response resonates for 4 milliseconds which is entirely too long. The result is ow-my-ears sibilance.

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 Anonymous 05/22/13(Wed)18:27 No.33990947
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>>33990914 (You)

>taking subjective opinions on head-fi seriously

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 Anonymous 05/22/13(Wed)18:28 No.33990983
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>>33990914 (You)
>>33990914 (You)

>from a head fi'er

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 Anonymous 05/22/13(Wed)18:29 No.33990994

>>33990914 (You)

If you think the MDR-V6 is too trebley then the M50's sound signature is probably exactly what you're looking for, anon.

Headphones aren't any better or worse for a specific genre. They're either accurate or they're not. They either fit your preferred sound signature or they don't.

Anyone claiming any headphone is better or worse for a specific genre has no ******* idea what they're talking about and their opinions should be summarily ignored.

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 Anonymous 05/22/13(Wed)18:30 No.33991019 [size=0.8em !important] Replies: >>33991043[/size]

>>33990908
I'm afraid the burden relies on your friend for a detailed measurement setup before such graphs can be taken seriously, not the reverse. Furthermore a sponge is not an IEC complient device for the measurement of headphone acoustics.

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 Anonymous 05/22/13(Wed)18:31 No.33991028 [size=0.8em !important] Replies: >>33991053[/size]

How do the shr440 compare to the audiotechnica m50? They're definitely cheaper. I'm just concerned they can't be played out of an iPod.

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 Anonymous 05/22/13(Wed)18:31 No.33991043 [size=0.8em !important] Replies: >>33991080 >>33991095 >>33991133[/size]

>>33991019

That's not how rhetoric and debate work, anon. You were the first to question the validity of the measurements in this thread. Therefore the burden is on you to prove, in detail, with credible sources, why the measurements are not valid.

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 Anonymous 05/22/13(Wed)18:32 No.33991053

>>33991028

I told you this yesterday: the SRH440 sounds extremely similar to the MDR-V6.

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 Anonymous 05/22/13(Wed)18:33 No.33991080
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>>33991043

I like you.

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 Anonymous 05/22/13(Wed)18:34 No.33991095

>>33991043
>prove why god doesn't exist

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 Anonymous 05/22/13(Wed)18:36 No.33991133 [size=0.8em !important] Replies: >>33991185 >>33991231[/size]

>>33991043
The validity of these measurements is already faulty as I have already stated that we have
a) no detailed measurement procedure outlined (including a completely unknown compensation curve)
and
b) use of a non IEC complient device for head accoustics measurement 

By your logic I could provide a graph made in paint, without any data whatsoever and simply claim, prove me wrong. A measurement is only as valid as its repeatbility by a third party, and that requires a measurement setup and procedure.

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 Anonymous 05/22/13(Wed)18:36 No.33991140 [size=0.8em !important] Replies: >>33991183 >>33991190 >>33991219[/size]

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>>33991105

This is a visual representation of what your MDR-V6s sound like (7506s are the same thing). Notice the elevated treble response which your ears have also noticed. Also note the lack of midbass/warmth which contributes to their cold, harsh sound just as much as the treble response.

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 Anonymous 05/22/13(Wed)18:37 No.33991160

Considering I can get the AKG K550 for about the same price as the audiotechnica m50. I would presume the K550 sounds better. Except the audiotechnica probably isolates more.

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 Anonymous 05/22/13(Wed)18:38 No.33991183 [size=0.8em !important] Replies: >>33991214[/size]

>>33991140
I'm not sure how to read one of these graphs.

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 Anonymous 05/22/13(Wed)18:38 No.33991185
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>>33991133

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 Anonymous 05/22/13(Wed)18:38 No.33991190
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>>33991140

By comparison, this is a visual representation of what the ATH-M50 sounds like. Notice the NOT elevated treble response (juuuuuuuuuuuuust a tad below neutral, and touching neutral at points) and the NO lack of midbass. These sound a lot more pleasantly warm and less harsh than the V6s. I think they're what you're looking for if you find the V6s harsh.

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 Anonymous 05/22/13(Wed)18:40 No.33991214

>>33991183 (You)

0-100 Hz = bass
100 - 300 Hz = midbass
300-1000 Hz = Mids
1000 - 5000 Hz = Upper Mids (some will refer to this as treble)
5000 Hz - 20000 Hz = Treble

6 decibels is double the sound pressure.

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 Anonymous 05/22/13(Wed)18:40 No.33991219 [size=0.8em !important] Replies: >>33991255 >>33991471[/size]

>>33991140
You reliase that GE uses non-standard x-curve compensation right?
http://rinchoi.blogspot.ca/2012/03/personal-concerns-regarding-other.html

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 Anonymous 05/22/13(Wed)18:40 No.33991231 [size=0.8em !important] Replies: >>33991263 >>33991278[/size]

>>33991133
>Please explain, in detail, with credible sources as references, how Purrin's setup could produce inaccurate waterfall plots.
>I'll wait. Forever.

This post does not answer my original question as stated above.

Please answer my original question.

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 Anonymous 05/22/13(Wed)18:42 No.33991255

>>33991219

I do.

I also realize that their graphs tend to match what my ears hear very, very well.

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 Anonymous 05/22/13(Wed)18:42 No.33991263

>>33991231
>please expalin in detail, with credible sources as references how invisible pink unicorns do not exist
>I'll wait. Forever

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 Anonymous 05/22/13(Wed)18:43 No.33991278 [size=0.8em !important] Replies: >>33991299[/size]

>>33991231

No one has to disprove something that has not been proving. You first must answer his question before he has to answer yours.

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 Anonymous 05/22/13(Wed)18:44 No.33991299
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>>33991278

>his

God I'd love one headphone thread without this samefagging troll trying to **** all over it.

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 Anonymous 05/22/13(Wed)18:44 No.33991316 [size=0.8em !important] Replies: >>33991349[/size]

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>>33991289

>nobass
>bloated as **** midbass
>no upper mids
>peaky treble

It's ****.

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 Anonymous 05/22/13(Wed)18:46 No.33991349 [size=0.8em !important] Replies: >>33991388[/size]

>>33991316
Huh. I don't know what to think of this. They sound better than my Sony V6

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 Anonymous 05/22/13(Wed)18:48 No.33991388

>>33991349 (You)

>Huh. I don't know what to think of this. They sound better than my Sony V6

It means you prefer a warmer sound signature, most likely, meaning you're sure to like the ATH-M50, which has the warmth of the K240s with actual sub-bass.

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 Anonymous 05/22/13(Wed)18:51 No.33991434

I got an srh840 for that accurate sound. Pretty happy with it. Bass leaves a little to be desired though but I think that's just conditioning from today's shifty bass music

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 Anonymous 05/22/13(Wed)18:53 No.33991470

I never thought I'd seriously be considering the audiotechnica m50

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 Anonymous 05/22/13(Wed)18:53 No.33991471

>>33991219

That blogger's only concern is an extremely autistic one:

>Let us not forget: As noted in IEC 60268-7, a mannequin measurement shall be only considered beneficial for an industrial usage; a subjective tonal quality shall not be of a concern due to much deviation between simulator measurements & subjectively assessed results.

He's basically saying, to quote Scanty and Kneesocks, that it's "AGAINST THE RUUUUUUUUUUUURS!"

Except, according to quite a lot of research being done these days, by people like Harmon Kardon and Viso, the headphones which sound the best to listeners are the ones which subjectively mimic the sound of actual speakers to listeners.

What is Goldenears' compensation method doing? Oh, right. It's attempting to create a reference for neutrality which is equal to that of a listener's subjective impression of neutral speakers, exactly like the research being done today says headphones should be doing.

tl;dr: Goldenears is entirely correct to use the sound of neutral speakers as perceived by listeners as their reference for neutrality and current IEC standards are incorrect and heavily flawed.

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 Anonymous 05/22/13(Wed)18:56 No.33991535 [size=0.8em !important] Replies: >>33991555[/size]

So do the audiotechnica ath m50s isolate better than the akg k550?

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 Anonymous 05/22/13(Wed)18:57 No.33991555

>>33991535

Roughly the same. They have the added bonus of not sounding like ****.

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[Trunks159]

Price range?

 

[Hifi Man]

Quote:

Price range?

Ideally around 100, but I've considered some 200 dollar headphones like the AKG K550.