Bojamijams
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Good counter point.
Originally Posted by Bojamijams /img/forum/go_quote.gif Good counter point. |
Originally Posted by ILikeMusic /img/forum/go_quote.gif And therefore, if there are people who can tell a difference between a $6 and a $600 power cord then there are people who can wave their arms and fly. |
Originally Posted by dharma /img/forum/go_quote.gif Yeah, but same way i can ask, why some guy who is saying in one thread, that he do'nt hear any differencies between lossy 245kbs audio signal and lossless audio signal, is saying in other thread, that there is no any difference between any cables (power or audio), because he do'nt hear it ... (and demands scientific proof, that there is difference in cables). Where is scientific self criticism?? |
Originally Posted by ILikeMusic /img/forum/go_quote.gif I don't know if you're refering to my comments specifically, but I'm not saying (nor are most others) that you can't hear a difference in cables because I can't, rather just because it is physically impossible. I can't fly by flapping my arms but that doesn't stop me from knowing that you can't either. Beyond that I'm not sure I'm understanding your question... |
Originally Posted by Omega /img/forum/go_quote.gif ... where's the harm in taking advantage of placebo? |
Originally Posted by Hirsch /img/forum/go_quote.gif Thank you. I assume that we can agree that a person with perfect pitch is going to hear music a bit differently than those of us who don't have that capability. However, it's also important to remember that many auditory discriminations are learned phenomena. The more we experience and learn, the better we will be at making small discriminations. To switch areas, look at wine tasting. A good wine taster may be able to taste a wine, tell where it came from, and approximately when it was made. I don't drink wine, so give me the same test, and I'll simply say "I like it" or "I don't like it", but wouldn't have a clue about going further. You can't identify what a Bordeaux wine tastes like unless you've tasted Bordeaux wines, along with other wines, and learned to tell the difference. The same type of learning applies to audio. If you haven't had a wide variety of audio experiences, you're not going to be able to interpret the raw sensory input in the same way as someone who has had a lot of experience with different gear. |
Originally Posted by Catharsis /img/forum/go_quote.gif I'm talking about hearing differences when physics (the RULES) state that there is no difference between $50 cable y and $1000 cable x when the only variables that determine the transfer of an electrical signal are inductance, capacitance and resistance (experimentally verified), and even the $50 cable has more bandwidth than necessary. Yet some people claim to here the difference. The acid test would be if I use two identical cables, and dress one of them up real pretty and tell you that the pretty one is $1000 dollars, and seeing who tells me it sounds better. |
This has also opened up a discussion about whether the most sensitive technology (VERY SENSITIVE) can be outdone by the human senses. After all, technology has allowed us to detect wavelengths of energy FAR FAR FAR outside the spectrum of human senses (e.g. x-ray, gamma, ray, ultraviolet, infrared, radio, mircrowave etc), and here we are talking about how great our ears are! If the technology / science can't tell the difference between $50 cable and $1000 cable how can we by hearing alone? |
Originally Posted by Hirsch /img/forum/go_quote.gif A sensitive measurement is only useful if you know what to measure. No matter how sensitive the measurement techniques, they don't help much if you're supposed to be measuring something else, as yet unknown. John Atkinson has been taking measurements for Stereophile reviews for years now, and has yet to discovery any real relationship between what he's measuring and what sounds good to people. A worthy attempt that may someday reach critical mass as more parameters are measured, and sensitivity improves. |
Originally Posted by dharma /img/forum/go_quote.gif Before hot air ballone was invented, every rational and normal person could say: 'it is physically impossible' to fly, and yes they were right, because at this moment nobody could do it (there was no nolidge, scillful means, ...). Happily those 'it is physically impossible' things are happening all time even in science. |
Originally Posted by Bullseye /img/forum/go_quote.gif By using DBT you will be amazed how some DACs and amplifiers "sound" the same. |