Audeze Penrose X and Penrose
Dec 8, 2020 at 11:58 PM Post #2,941 of 5,758

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Play this song on your old headphones / headset, then play it on the Penrose, and then come back and let us know what you think.

I noticed more clarity, the individual instruments /sounds were more pronounced. My old headset is obviously much more bass heavy. I guess maybe I was anticipating a bigger difference? Not sure, it does sound really good, don't get me wrong I'm just not sure if the cost to benefit ratio is there for me. I'm going to give it a few days of only the Penrose and then go back to my golds for gaming and see if I notice I'm missing sounds and what not.

I did get a couple of minor pops in my right speaker this gaming session. If it was more frequent I could see how it would be an issue. Something I will be paying attention to for now
 
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lol! it better be a Panasonic or Pioneer plasma!

I actually passed on the Kuro (it was the Kuros last year) to get this Sony as the Kuro's high gloss finish produced too many reflections, so great for dark room, but anything else, instead of black, you saw yourself or whatever was reflecting. It messed with my head, the best tv for a sole purpose, but just not suitable for my everyday use.
 
Dec 9, 2020 at 12:21 AM Post #2,944 of 5,758

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I actually passed on the Kuro (it was the Kuros last year) to get this Sony as the Kuro's high gloss finish produced too many reflections, so great for dark room, but anything else, instead of black, you saw yourself or whatever was reflecting. It messed with my head, the best tv for a sole purpose, but just not suitable for my everyday use.

Sony LED i take it? Beats going for a Sh**sung. :wink:
Well, nows' the matter time to upgrade to a Sony A8H OLED, or an LG CX OLED. you'd be making a dramatic jump in black levels, far less motion blur, wide viewing angles, color etc.
 
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This isn't exactly the place for this, but would sending a 2.1 HDMI cable from my LG C9's eArc HDMI port straight 'to' a Sony DH790 Receiver's eArc HDMI port give me 3D audio for the PS5 when using headphones? Of course, the PS5 & Switch would be hooked up directly to the TV via hdmi. i'm trying to by pass any video passthrough to the receiver, because this particular receiver doesn't support HDMI 2.1, 120fps, and most likely will increase input lag. i want it strictly for audio and no video pass through.
 
Dec 9, 2020 at 12:40 AM Post #2,947 of 5,758

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Yep, just not happy with 2020 models, LG removing DTS passthrough causes an issue I thought I could get around (new AVR), Samsung downgrading all of their 4K panels, Sony no HDMI 2.1 expect for mid tier model, not a great year. Will see what's coming for 2021 very soon.

Well, the 2021 models should be rolling out as early as march, so you're probably better off waiting!
LG will be releasing the C1 & G1 OLEDs, but i get the feeling they wont really offer anything remarkably better than what they've done with the CX.
Sony OLED's will probably adopt HDMI 2.1, VRR and hopefully will reduce input lag.
 
Dec 9, 2020 at 12:46 AM Post #2,949 of 5,758

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Finally got a good 4 hours of testing between the Audeze Penrose (via wireless dongle to PS5/Switch, bluetooth to iphone, and aux into my Woo WA7), Steelseries Arctis 7p (wireless dongle to PS5/Switch, aux into WA7) and Sennheiser Momentum Wireless 3.0 (Genki AptX LL adapter to PS5/Switch, Bluetooth to iphone). I also use my Sony Z1R during the day when I'm working (I like to listen to music as I code), sometimes swapping to Focal Clear depending on my mood. The Z1R is my preference for PC gaming, so I didn't even test any of these wireless headphones for that purpose.

Just to state again, my primary use case for a wireless headphone is convenient console gaming. I have plenty of other headphones or true wireless buds for other purposes (PC gaming, music, podcasts), and I don't play any competitive games so I didn't even attach the mic to test it. Although console gaming is my primary use case, I was also looking forward to the simultaneous Bluetooth aspect of the Penrose to listen to music or podcasts from my iPhone at times when gaming; then Arctis has no similar feature, and while my Momentum 3.0 does offer multipoint bluetooth pairing, only one source plays at a time (as far as I can tell). It's still nice for answering phone calls if necessary though.

I've been stretching out the Penrose using the pillow method for the last 2 nights and all day today. I've also updated to the new beta firmware which solves the "whoosh" issue and offers 5 EQ presets instead of 2. It also lowers the "Connected" voice, which is nice, but it does nothing to address any connection issues (straight from Audeze's mouth through email correspondence).

First of all, of the 3 wireless options I own, the Penrose have the best audio quality by far. If we were to judge the headphones purely on audio potential, the Penrose would win quite handily. While it doesn't approach my preferred setup (Z1R or Clear to an external Amp/DAC), it still offers the best musical clarity compared to the Momentum and Arctis. In comparison, the Momentums have rather muddy bass (a common "feature" among mainstream ANC headsets, supposedly because it's preferential when moving/walking around) and suppressed vocals. The Arctis 7P have better bass than the Momentum, but still have recessed vocals compared to the Penrose. Audeze also has a nice "quickness" to its beats and attack, though not as crisp here compared to Focal Clear. It also has excellent sub-bass extension, which is a trait I adore in most planar magnetics.

However, I also think some people are denigrating the Arctis 7P a bit too much. I personally don't think it's a slouch in audio - it's not the best, but I didn't hear distortion in bass or explosions as one poster experienced. Audio quality while gaming sounded fine, and its soundstage was better than the Momentums and comparable to the Penrose. While it doesn't do vocals as well as the Penrose, I hardly noticed this during my gaming session... only noticed it really when listening to music (even tried watching some more Hamilton via PS5's Disney Plus app).

So the Penrose is a winner when it comes to audio. How come I still feel unfulfilled? Overall, I had a pretty negative user experience while wearing the Penrose.

First, even after stretching the band for over 24 hours, it still does not feel very comfortable. The clamp isn't actually that bad for the first 30 minutes or hour (and honestly, I actually prefer its snug fit initially compared to the looser fit of the Arctis) but after that I start feeling hot spots around my ears and the one spot on my head where the headband has significant padding. After more than an hour of wearing it, switching to the Arctis was a breath of fresh air.

Second, the simultaneous Bluetooth/Wireless feature is useless to me. Connecting my iphone immediately lowers my wireless/PS5 volume dramatically. While I can just increase the volume of the Penrose, this also increases the volume of my phone (which doesn't control independently from the PS5) and makes it much too loud to listen to comfortably. Not that big of a deal, but a miss considering I was looking forward to this feature.

But most importantly, I still experience way too many connection issues with the Penrose. I listened to suggestions and tried several configurations: dongle into PS5 rear USB, dongle into USB extender from rear USB, dongle into USB hub into USB extender from rear USB. I tried 3 different USB extenders (2' 2.0, 3' 3.0 and 5' 3.0). My experience was still MUCH better than my initial impressions (where I had about 5-10 disconnects an hour with intermittent crackling and brief audio dropouts), but it wasn't good enough. I still experienced the occasional disconnect while playing and would even get dropouts or crackling if I just moved my head the wrong way. Moving to the kitchen would consistently disconnect the Penrose. I discussed this with Audeze, and they gave a response regarding the balance between latency and stability and linked me to their wireless stability article (here). I admit that this may be more of a problem for me since I run a smart home which may cause more wireless 2.4ghz interference than others. However, I did not experience ANY disconnect with the Arctis 7P in my hour or two of playing with it. Not only could I walk to the kitchen for a drink, but I could move to the opposite end of my house before disconnect. I never had any crackling or dropouts at all either.

Because of this, I've realized that the Penrose is just not right for me. While the audio is good, it's not great enough to overcome the suboptimal and frustrating user experience I've had so far. Since I already have the latest firmware, I'm not comfortable waiting for a fairy tale "future firmware" that might fix my connection issues that probably won't come out before my return window closes. Also, I still think audiophiles trash the audio quality of the Arctis 7P too much. This is purely subjective of course, but while the Penrose are the second best wireless headphones I've owned (I still prefer my old Oppo PM3's over it to be honest), the Arctis 7P would be my third favorites. I'm actually surprised I prefer them over my Momentum 3.0's, which cost twice as much. The Arctis are also much more comfortable for long gaming or media sessions. It doesn't automatically switch audio output when turned on, which is annoying (even the Penrose does this), but it's not too difficult to switch that in the PS5 quick menu.

These are just my impressions. Several others have chimed in saying they have no connection issues. However, I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say that Audeze may have sacrificed stability a bit too much compared to other gaming headsets like the Arctis 7P. I did briefly own the Pulse 3D and it had no such connection issue in my house either (though in this case, the audio quality was abysmal enough for me to return it rather quickly, haha).
 
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Finally got a good 4 hours of testing between the Audeze Penrose (via wireless dongle to PS5/Switch, bluetooth to iphone, and aux into my Woo WA7), Steelseries Arctis 7p (wireless dongle to PS5/Switch, aux into WA7) and Sennheiser Momentum Wireless 3.0 (Genki AptX LL adapter to PS5/Switch, Bluetooth to iphone). I also use my Sony Z1R during the day when I'm working (I like to listen to music as I code), sometimes swapping to Focal Clear depending on my mood. The Z1R is my preference for PC gaming, so I didn't even test any of these wireless headphones for that purpose.

Just to state again, my primary use case for a wireless headphone is convenient console gaming. I have plenty of other headphones or true wireless buds for other purposes (PC gaming, music, podcasts), and I don't play any competitive games so I didn't even attach the mic to test it. Although console gaming is my primary use case, I was also looking forward to the simultaneous Bluetooth aspect of the Penrose to listen to music or podcasts from my iPhone at times when gaming; then Arctis has no similar feature, and while my Momentum 3.0 does offer multipoint bluetooth pairing, only one source plays at a time (as far as I can tell). It's still nice for answering phone calls if necessary though.

I've been stretching out the Penrose using the pillow method for the last 2 nights and all day today. I've also updated to the new beta firmware which solves the "whoosh" issue and offers 5 EQ presets instead of 2. It also lowers the "Connected" voice, which is nice, but it does nothing to address any connection issues (straight from Audeze's mouth through email correspondence).

First of all, of the 3 wireless options I own, the Penrose have the best audio quality by far. If we were to judge the headphones purely on audio potential, the Penrose would win quite handily. While it doesn't approach my preferred setup (Z1R or Clear to an external Amp/DAC), it still offers the best musical clarity compared to the Momentum and Arctis. In comparison, the Momentums have rather muddy bass (a common "feature" among mainstream ANC headsets, supposedly because it's preferential when moving/walking around) and suppressed vocals. The Arctis 7P have better bass than the Momentum, but still have recessed vocals compared to the Penrose. Audeze also has a nice "quickness" to its beats and attack, though not as crisp here compared to Focal Clear. It also has excellent sub-bass extension, which is a trait I adore in most planar magnetics.

However, I also think some people are denigrating the Arctis 7P a bit too much. I personally don't think it's a slouch in audio - it's not the best, but I didn't hear distortion in bass or explosions as one poster experienced. Audio quality while gaming sounded fine, and its soundstage was better than the Momentums and comparable to the Penrose. While it doesn't do vocals as well as the Penrose, I hardly noticed this during my gaming session... only noticed it really when listening to music (even tried watching some more Hamilton via PS5's Disney Plus app).

So the Penrose is a winner when it comes to audio. How come I still feel unfulfilled? Overall, I had a pretty negative user experience while wearing the Penrose.

First, even after stretching the band for over 24 hours, it still does not feel very comfortable. The clamp isn't actually that bad for the first 30 minutes or hour (and honestly, I actually prefer its snug fit initially compared to the looser fit of the Arctis) but after that I start feeling hot spots around my ears and the one spot on my head where the headband has significant padding. After more than an hour of wearing it, switching to the Arctis was a breath of fresh air.

Second, the simultaneous Bluetooth/Wireless feature is useless to me. Connecting my iphone immediately lowers my wireless/PS5 volume dramatically. While I can just increase the volume of the Penrose, this also increases the volume of my phone (which doesn't control independently from the PS5) and makes it much too loud to listen to comfortably. Not that big of a deal, but a miss considering I was looking forward to this feature.

But most importantly, I still experience way too many connection issues with the Penrose. I listened to suggestions and tried several configurations: dongle into PS5 rear USB, dongle into USB extender from rear USB, dongle into USB hub into USB extender from rear USB. I tried 3 different USB extenders (2' 2.0, 3' 3.0 and 5' 3.0). My experience was still MUCH better than my initial impressions (where I had about 5-10 disconnects an hour with intermittent crackling and brief audio dropouts), but it wasn't good enough. I still experienced the occasional disconnect while playing and would even get dropouts or crackling if I just moved my head the wrong way. Moving to the kitchen would consistently disconnect the Penrose. I discussed this with Audeze, and they gave a response regarding the balance between latency and stability and linked me to their wireless stability article (here). I admit that this may be more of a problem for me since I run a smart home which may cause more wireless 2.4ghz interference than others. However, I did not experience ANY disconnect with the Arctis 7P in my hour or two of playing with it. Not only could I walk to the kitchen for a drink, but I could move to the opposite end of my house before disconnect. I never had any crackling or dropouts at all either.

Because of this, I've realized that the Penrose is just not right for me. While the audio is good, it's not great enough to overcome the suboptimal and frustrating user experience I've had so far. Since I already have the latest firmware, I'm not comfortable waiting for a fairy tale "future firmware" that might fix my connection issues that probably won't come out before my return window closes. Also, I still think audiophiles trash the audio quality of the Arctis 7P too much. This is purely subjective of course, but while the Penrose are the second best wireless headphones I've owned (I still prefer my old Oppo PM3's over it to be honest), the Arctis 7P would be my third favorites. I'm actually surprised I prefer them over my Momentum 3.0's, which cost twice as much. The Arctis are also much more comfortable for long gaming or media sessions. It doesn't automatically switch audio output when turned on, which is annoying (even the Penrose does this), but it's not too difficult to switch that in the PS5 quick menu.

These are just my impressions. Several others have chimed in saying they have no connection issues. However, I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say that Audeze may have sacrificed stability a bit too much compared to other gaming headsets like the Arctis 7P. I did briefly own the Pulse 3D and it had no such connection issue in my house either (though in this case, the audio quality was abysmal enough for me to return it rather quickly, haha).

Excellent, clear, and exhaustive post. I really appreciate your commentary. I’ll give the update a shot to see if losing the whoosh is transformative for my own use, but it’s hard to see how it could be for the reasons you note.
 
Dec 9, 2020 at 1:51 AM Post #2,954 of 5,758

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3D audio on PS5 is only supported through USB and the headphone port on the controller from what I’ve read.

Well that sucks, plugging in a pair of DT770's with 250ohm into a PS5 controller wont sound as good as a receiver i'm guessing nor will the volume be loud if it's anything like the PS4's controller. I wouldn't be able to tolerate the drop outs with the Penrose, even if it happened just once in-game. that's just unacceptable, especially when you look at the cost to value ratio.


Ugh, i really and i mean really would love to go wireless, but i just wont settle for any drop outs, or crackling along with any sort of discomfort after a decent period of use.

How are the Arctis Wireless Pro?
 
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I just bought a pair of artics 7x (same as 7p, but work on Xbox) and I’ll agree with the user above. Overall as a package, I prefer the artics. My friend said I sounded “miles” better with artics mic compared to the penrose. I didn’t even tell him I switched, he just said I sounded great and asked if I fixed a setting. Artics win in comfort and also range. It’s not really straight forward though. I can see why folks would much prefer Penrose - especially single player folks with no connection issues. The sound is better with Penrose. I know for many folks sound is all that matters, which is why I think Penrose is the way to go for many. But for me who is a competitive gamer and who plays almost strictly multiplayer games for many hours in a row, there is so much more to it than sound. I need a good mic, I need good range, I need comfort, and a need rock solid stability, on top of good sound. I also think the artics sound fine, especially once you customize your EQ settings.

In conclusion, there is so much that goes into a gaming headset and sound is just one piece. When playing competitively a mic is super important and so is comfort and stability. Though Penrose have a shaky start, I still think with more updates they’ll get better and better - but the mic quality needs serious improvement and the comfort is something that is a problem - I couldn’t get it to feel comfortable, regardless of stretching it out.
 

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