Gotta admit, for me, it's the 4z or 24 not the 4, if I ever buy another Audeze. The 4 is too heavy, too hard to drive and more difficult to get rid of if you need to sell. Before I would consider the 4, I would just stick with the Empy, which I think has one of the best tonal balances out there, even better than the Verite, but I do like the Verite same, well maybe more with my new Zircote. This is especially true since I do not EQ. Also could you give a little more detail, bass, mid and treble as why you didn't like the 24?