Ok, thanks for clarifying. I know very little about EQ'ing and try to avoid it, but sounds like to at least get closer to the Cipher "sound," just a slight increase in base and decrease in treble at those frequencies is what i'm aiming for? Unrelated; i work in open office environment, so will be interesting to see if I will end up wearing them in the office or if the noise leakage is too much. Seems like I can get volume *just* loud enough to be enjoyable without being noticeable to others. So, relieved to find that they definitely work in an open office environment; but i suppose next question is whether they will be fun to listen to at constrained volume other IEMs. Also wish the ear wing attachments were softer plastic. These are a little too stiff / brittle.