ATH-A900 / A1000 views
Dec 10, 2002 at 3:51 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 41

bangraman

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Okay, I spent two HOURS of my extremely valuable time sitting in front of the mixer with a laptop pershed on it, writing this review in Word, which I cut and pasted here, then corrected a bit. You’d better like it!!!!


I never did listen to the ATH-A9X, so I didn’t get to find out whether the A100Ti is significantly better than the A9X. Now, I have the chance to find out the answer to the same question with the next generation of these phones, the ATH-A900 and the ATH-A1000.


Compared to the old generation phones, the A900/A1000 have a more squared-off look from the front, which is much more appealing than the ‘coconut halves on the head’ effect of the A100Ti and especially the W100. Despite theflattening though, they can't be considered small phones. As a comparison the Sennheiser HD600 looks sleeker on the head although the A-T's look better than the HD600. If you're familiar with the Sony CD1700, these are about the same size.


They also have new internals in the form of a new cavity in the phones, named DADS, which is intended to increase the bass response. Other physical features of the phone have I’m sure been slavered over many times previously so I won’t bother mentioning them. But one question I will answer is; “Do the ball bearings on the ATH-A1000 make a difference over the standard whatevertheyuse on the ATH-A900?” The answer is no, at least not in the short term or the period when us Head-Fi rabid maniacs feel the urge to upgrade again
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What I will say before I go onto the sound is that both the A900 and the A1000 are designed and built with an attention to detail that shames any other equivalent manufacturer.
Audio-Technica ART series make similarly priced Sennheisers look like amateurish DIY projects, and similarly priced Beyerdynamics look and feel like something that came out of the dumpster. Comparing similarly priced or even more expensive Grados (in my case the SR325 vs the A1000 (£280 vs £180) and the SR80 vs the A900 (Both around £100)) in terms of build, we have a saying in Japan “Tsuki to suppon no chigai” which literally translated compares the insurmountable gulf of aesthetic comparison between a moon and a turtle (don’t ask, it’s metaphysical, zen, all that stuff…). Even the ever-consistent Sony have some way to go in terms of competing in quality, design and finish at similar prices.
The other thing of major note before listening is the comfort. It’s not a sumptuous, opulent comfort in either the A900 or the A1000’s case, but a just right, fuss free fit that makes you appreciate the thought that’s gone into these phones. So they’re already way ahead before a single note’s been played…

So what about the sound?
I have to tell you this: I can’t tell a huge difference worth articulating precisely between the A900 and the A1000, only a vague feeling that the A1000 is a little more direct than the A900. If I'd had one on my head for a few minutes and you asked me to say which one it was, I couldn't tell you. So this preliminary review largely covers both.
And, it’s important to tell you that I’m going to cheat. For the bulk of the actual comparison I used a mixer. I can change the sound using the mixer, but I can also find out roughly what it sounds like “flat”. One of the beauties of a good mixer is that you have very precise control of the sound and this is hopefully helpful in looking at the phones. I did also use a valve HP amp but the results tracked my mixer-based opinions very closely so I’m sticking by my mixer findings.


The overall character of the sound is crisp yet impactful. Highs are precisely articulated, without becoming overly harsh. Mids are well defined. The closed colouration feel that many sealed phones exhibit is largely absent from these phones, and the soundstage is expansive. Overall this is the best of both worlds, the feel of an open phone with the added detail and other advantages in normal listening circumstances of a closed phone.
What about the bass? Does the DADS bass enhancement work? In a word, yes. Turning up the bass results in a serious kick with absolutely no trace of the ‘bass note elongation’ that can plague some DJ-intended closed phones. Comparing it ‘defeated/flat’ against what seems to be the mid-priced benchmark here, the HD600, there’s definitely more kick to the bass, but not over-done) with no bloat to speak of. It is just like the rest of the response, crisp yet somehow voluminous, and very effective.

Is the A900/A1000 the nirvana of Audio-Technica? Having not tried the W1000 yet, let alone the W2002, I can’t say that for sure. But I personally like the sound of these phones better than anything else I have at the moment, and I can say is that both the phones are generally superb. Both provide effortless listening to detailed, crisp music. Bad compressed audio and poor recordings did of course result in sibilance but not to the teeth-gritting level of some other phones. On the issue of value for money, the A900 provides practically all of the sonic and comfort benefits of the A1000 for over $100 less… If you can live without the ‘limited edition’ fever, the A900 on a sound/value ratio is a better buy. Aesthetically too, the understated blue of the A900 is an equally class act compared to the ‘THIS IS TITANIUM’ grey of the A1000.

That's it! No more reviews!! Too much like hard work.
 
Dec 10, 2002 at 4:15 PM Post #2 of 41
wow Bangraman, after all the pestering, finally a first review!
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(and I get "honourable" mention too. damn you
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thanks for taking the time to pen those thoughts down man. I'm sure the rest of the guys would love you for it...ALTHOUGH, I donno how the guys who ordered the much-hyped-about A1000s would take to what you said about the signficantly cheaper A900s man
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one question, how about the A100Tis? you got those too don't you? why not put that in as well..
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Dec 10, 2002 at 5:28 PM Post #3 of 41
Thanks for your impressions!

When is Duncan going to be listening to these as well?

At this point I'll probably go for the A1000. I have a bad habit of buying the best I can afford even if it is only a little bit better than the nearest competition. We'll see though.

How much break-in do the headphones have?

You mentioned turning up the bass; how is the bass on "flat?"

Thanks again.
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Dec 10, 2002 at 5:36 PM Post #4 of 41
I know what you mean about reviews being hard work for no pay (on this board, at least): I wrote one of the Plextor in the source section, which only *has* one review in its review section, and the mods seem not to have considered it worth a wee dinking sticky. Feh and fie. I could have written the same thing for Others and gotten paid. Here, I earn invective from Windows advocates (whimper, sputter, faint).

But enough about moi. After all, I have to take my mind off this colon cancer *somehow*.

Nice one, Bangra. I find your aggressive enthusiasm for the AT line amusing and probably necessary, given the adverse reactions toward same of respectable Head-fi constants like Nick and Kelly. I also liked your splice of colloquial and audiophile diction. The style was effective. Decent.

I agree with you about visual/design aesthetics: The ATs are on a new level in that regard.

Personally, I loved the W100 but have been waiting for something less restricted sounding (or "tuned," if you prefer). Which is why I'm damned glad to hear the DADs are working for you, bwah.

Didn't glean you were from Japan originally -- interesting cultural mix, that and the UK. (Could you have PICKED two more arrogant colonizing cultures? "In fact, I could have, Scrypt -- the cynting States.")
 
Dec 10, 2002 at 5:43 PM Post #5 of 41
Quote:

I know what you mean about reviews being hard work for no pay (on this board, at least): I wrote one of the Plextor in the source section, which only *has* one review in its review section, and the mods seem not to have considered it worth a wee dinking sticky. Feh and fie. I could have written the same thing for Others and gotten paid. Here, I earn invective from Windows advocates (whimper, sputter, faint).


Have you tried sending an e-mail/pm to a moderator? Maybe your review was just overlooked.
 
Dec 10, 2002 at 5:52 PM Post #6 of 41
Actually, I was merely joshing, nay, funning, Master Radrd. Just my smarmy way of ingratiating myself to Mr. Massive-Pants Reviewer, here, who commented on his *own* sweat n' toil long before the sound of the *headphones*. (Honestly, I'd like to read his two-page review of how it felt to *write* that review.)

And I'd like to thank him again, publicly, in full view o' all god's creation, for taking the time to satisfy a man's needs regarding these special and sought-after headphones. Ah craved tuh hear about them cans. Goll dang, ah feel peppy!
 
Dec 10, 2002 at 6:15 PM Post #7 of 41
barangman,
I would love to hear some comparison b/w the A100ti vs A900/A1000 as well. Please, give me your impression. thanks.


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Dec 10, 2002 at 8:08 PM Post #8 of 41
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Originally posted by radrd
When is Duncan going to be listening to these as well?


To the best of my knowledge (although Bangraman can confirm this for definite) I believe it to be the 21st of December

Thanks
 
Dec 10, 2002 at 8:09 PM Post #9 of 41
Bangraman,

Please, don't stop now. I, for one, would like to know exactly how much equalisation was necessary on each to produce pleasing musicallity.

And I would also ask that you sit down with pen, paper, a glass of nice wine, and listen to just 1 cd on both the A900 and the A1000 and scribble your impressions as you listen to one, then the other.

Are the drivers angled differently? Do you find that you can listen to one with the headphones centred, while another necessitates it being "pulled downward" to affect a more pleasing sound? Is there reverb or resonance at certain frequencies? Are parts of the sound spectrum missing, recessed, or bloated on one headphone compared to the other? Are the individual instruments finely articulated? Is there instrument smudging? Does one produce better sound decay better than the other?

As to the turtle and the moon - the moon is ephermal; the turtle is alive, it's here and now. The moon is dead, only appearing alive through it's constant movement in the sky and it's changing face. The turtle shell symbolises our thoughts - as hard as concrete - ever so slowly moving. Guess they never saw a turtle swim. As Bruce Lee said, "See the finger pointing at the moon. Always keep your eye on the finger, not the moon." (The vehicle on the journey, not the target). I would've slapped him back and said, "I have two eyes, one is on the finger, the other is on the moon."
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Thanks for the review.
 
Dec 10, 2002 at 8:13 PM Post #10 of 41
Thanks for the review bangraman. The A900 is looking like a pretty good deal. One question, how do feel the A900/A1000 compare to the W100's?
 
Dec 10, 2002 at 8:32 PM Post #11 of 41
Well done bangraman, well done indeed. Your days of only having one person read or post about your reviews are over. This was a thorough and well written review that can possibly save some people money when choosing to spend the money on the A900 instead of the A1000.

I for one would look forward to some other reviews you might have in store for us!! Easy to read, interesting, and from a perspective and testing method different enough to be of value, yet good enough to help with decision making!!!
 
Dec 10, 2002 at 9:28 PM Post #12 of 41
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Originally posted by scrypt
Actually, I was merely joshing, nay, funning, Master Radrd. Just my smarmy way of ingratiating myself to Mr. Massive-Pants Reviewer, here, who commented on his *own* sweat n' toil long before the sound of the *headphones*. (Honestly, I'd like to read his two-page review of how it felt to *write* that review.)

And I'd like to thank him again, publicly, in full view o' all god's creation, for taking the time to satisfy a man's needs regarding these special and sought-after headphones. Ah craved tuh hear about them cans. Goll dang, ah feel peppy!


I'm glad your dangs have been re-peppified.
But who are you calling massive pants? I'm 34 inches!
Among the travails I went through to bring you the views:
Accidentally switched on phantom power on one of the mixers.
Nearly dropped laptop.
Hit myself in the head while switching phones.
See? It's not all safe scribbling in Word, you know.

Wallijon: Chooom! (the sound of everything you said shooting over my head)
When I'm listening I just listen. Um, yes...
 
Dec 10, 2002 at 11:12 PM Post #14 of 41
Barangman,

I know that life is tough being a headphone geek. But, well, what can u say? Can you give your impression b/w the A100ti VS. A900 Vs. A1000. A short but concise impression will do. Thanks for your time.

Quote:

I'm glad your dangs have been re-peppified.
But who are you calling massive pants? I'm 34 inches!
Among the travails I went through to bring you the views:
Accidentally switched on phantom power on one of the mixers.
Nearly dropped laptop.
Hit myself in the head while switching phones.
See? It's not all safe scribbling in Word, you know.

Wallijon: Chooom! (the sound of everything you said shooting over my head)
When I'm listening I just listen. Um, yes...


 
Dec 11, 2002 at 8:50 PM Post #15 of 41
OK, in my previous post, I said as an aside that the A1000 sounds a little more direct (read, thicker) than the A900. I've been listening to the A1000 for most of the day, and it's become a bit more apparent. It's only something that you will notice after you've got used to the sound of each phone but I'm definitely noticing it. Oddly, I'm starting to prefer the A900, despite the virtually identical general character of the sound. Once again, I've proven myself to be a really bad ABer and this should be taken with a pinch of salt. But I thought I'd share that with you. becaus eit's something I noticed.
 

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