If there's any adjective that could fit the bill of the TF10s, it's not "muddy". In fact, its being very clear and precise make it quite harsh to your ears if your source ain't that good and low-bitrate songs will definitely sound awful.
Or...maybe your ears are just adjusting to the TF10s.
If I may ask, before going to the TF10 route, which IEM did you listen to?
Definitely not muddy. I actually find that after listening to my Mages (tuned with more bass), the TF10s are REALLY sibilant and the highs are a bit harsh. I never noticed this until adapting to my Mages. But I never thought them at all muddy.
Dobber65: Recessed mids compared to the 580s may be it. I was flipping between the TFPs and the 580s after I posted, last night, and when I went back to the 580s, they sounded kinda' bright... like my brain was acclimating to the sound of the TFPs.
jaibautista: These are the first IEMs I have listened to. I thought about grabbing a pair of Etys from HeadRoom, too, to compare (and since they have a fab return policy). And, I still may.
From what I am reading, I need to give them some more time so I can find a possible proper fit for me and give my brain some time to adjust to the sound sig... which is fine, I would do that anyway (when I heard the 580s, though, it was instant love).
Concerning the fit, I was pushing these things in deep using the small silicone tips. I briefly tried the foam tips... and will have to try them some more, I suppose. I will also look into the flip flop mod.
I do like the depth of the bass and the texture it retains, it sounds great.
The first time I really noticed the recessed midrange on my TFPs was when I was swapping my TFPs with my SE530s for about an hour a couple of years ago. Before then, while I read about it, I didn't really notice it. But, when I started swapping with my Shures using music I know really well, it was apparent. That doesn't mean the TFPs were bad, just different.
I still prefer my TFPs over the SE530s, but prefer my Turbine Pros and IE8s over both because these dynamic IEMs seem to combine the Shure's midrange with the UE's bass and treble in a great way.
Yea when I listen to them they are very clear and never muddy although the mids are a little recessed, nothing to complain about though. I haven't listened to any acoustic on them yet but I will later today and see what's up.
Interesting to see someone with the senn 580 adjusting to the tf10.
Is it out of the realm of possibility that my cheap senn 212 headphones sound virtually the same as the tf10? It even adjusts to higher kbps music about the same as the triple.fi's.
The only difference I hear going to the tf10's is a small drop in bass impact but a little more refined, and much more neutral. I kind of liked the senn's coloring though.. I'm using large sony hybrids, and I'd definitely recommend them over the silicons for fit and comfort.
I'll fitting tips usually results in loss of bass, not too much.
The TF10 took time to grow on me. Coming from K701 and iM616 (like ER4S), both of which have clear, extended highs and flat bass, I was shocked when I heard how loud the bass was and how rolled-off the highs were.
But over time, they have become my favourite portable. There's a lot of detail in there. The bass is big, certainly not balanced - but only just a bit more than flat. Getting used to them, I've come to appreciate their treble too.
Definitely a fun-sounding IEM. Definitely not a studio monitor.
Originally Posted by Duckman /img/forum/go_quote.gif I'll fitting tips usually results in loss of bass, not too much.
The TF10 too time to grow on me. Coming from K701 and iM616 (like ER4S), both of which have clear, extended highs and flat bass, I was shocked when I heard how loud the bass was and how rolled-off the highs were.
But over time, they have become my favourite portable. There's a lot of detail in there. The bass is big, certainly not balanced - but only just a bit more than flat. Getting used to them, I've come to appreciate their treble too.
Definitely a fun-sounding IEM. Definitely not a studio monitor.
Pretty much the same boat as me lol. K701's are my main headphones and i found the bass thunderous and the highs a tad rolled off on the TF10's. Still a nice 'phone though. I wouldn't call it muddy though
The Ety's treble does not stand out in the same way as the TFPs. The ER-4x have a smoothness in the highs that is similar to TFPs, but with a more neutral midrange so the treble does not seem to dominate as much than the TFPs. The Ety treble is just smooth, delicate, and extended, and very nice to hear.
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