Are the Ultrasone Proline 750s highs harsh?

Nov 20, 2006 at 6:10 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 10

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I'm considering buying either a pair of Ultrasone's Proline 650 or 750 in addition to the HD650 since I currently find Beyers 990 (2005) a bit harsh sometimes (which might also be the dac fault - see here).

Acording with Jan Meier, he considers the PROLINE 750 a little bit too sibilant for his taste.
He also prefers the Proline 650 over the Beyers 770 every time, which I was considering mainly for games and moves.

So, does anyone find the proline 750 highs harsh and sibilant? From what I've read the bass on these is really very good but I'm worried about the highs as I don't want then to be harsher than the 990.

Thanks!
 
Nov 20, 2006 at 7:54 PM Post #2 of 10
The highs can be sibliant if you turn them up. If you listen on a normal level the highs wont be sibliant even with average records. When you turn them up its more of a problem in "hot" recordings, less or no problem at all with good recordings. I experience a similar harshness in Audio Technica cans with turning up, but its very dependant of the record you listen to. Some CDs sound more offensive on the ATs and are ok on the Ultrasone, with some its the opposite. I dont listen loud at all so this doesnt bother me.

If the 750 had less treble i wouldnt like it much... The clear vocals really stand out on this can. The A900 vocals sound almost like underwater compared to it, after getting my W5000 i just couldnt stand the A900LTD anymore. The 750 still sounds clear enough and is more resolving than the A900.
 
Nov 20, 2006 at 8:11 PM Post #3 of 10
You guys are killing me. I almost decide to take AKG K271 and now, i'm not sure which one to take. I will be using it at my office and i want some better seal than my AKG K340. Sorry to hijack your thread, but i hate sibilance too. I own W1000 before and it is quite painful. will Pro 750 have the same problem?
 
Nov 20, 2006 at 8:28 PM Post #4 of 10
Warning: newbie post! I've listened to my 750's for only one CD, Dylan's Greatest Hits (so I'm, how shall we say, a bit familiar with the material), and they didn't show any signs of being harsh at all. Of course this was at a normal volume level and late at night, they are not at all broken in, etc.

My first impresisons of both the 750 and 2500 are very good. I'm not hearing what others have described as a sound that you need a lot of time to adjust your hearing to (I guess manig the off-axis drivers and S-Logic). They both sound as natural as can be to me, which wasn't the case with the Edition 7, so I'm pleasantly surprised.

So don't give my thoughts much weight. Go by what people who have had them for a while have to say.
 
Nov 21, 2006 at 12:40 AM Post #6 of 10
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You guys are killing me. I almost decide to take AKG K271 and now, i'm not sure which one to take. I will be using it at my office and i want some better seal than my AKG K340. Sorry to hijack your thread, but i hate sibilance too. I own W1000 before and it is quite painful. will Pro 750 have the same problem?


Lol, I have the Sennheisers HD650 and the Proline 650 packed and ready to be shipped tomorrow morning my Jan Meier and I'm now thinking if I should or should not change my order from the Proline 650 to the Proline 750.

Guess I can always get the proline 650 and wait for a used 750 to show up and then compare them... Decisions decisions decisions
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Nov 21, 2006 at 1:41 AM Post #7 of 10
No, here's the real newbie post (post #1). I actually have a lot of experience with the Proline 750s, though, since I use them with my home studio here (I needed a headphone with enough of a seal to keep the click track off the piano microphone over my head when I do piano scratch tracks, and of high enough quality to do rough mixing through them). I didn't really buy them for music listening since I already had AKG K1000s (which I love!) and AKG K500s from right before they discontinued them, but I started running them straight out of the speaker posts of an Decware EL34 amp wired in triode (3.5 watts) and the sound is pretty amazing. I actually used them for a couple of months before I brought my K1000s down to my parents' farm from my apartment up in Atlanta where my real stereo is, and I found them thoroughly satisfactory and non-fatiguing even when listening for long periods while I took notes for my dissertation. I love the super out-of-the-head AKG K1000 thing, but I could actually imagine people wanting more slam and punch and preferring the Proline.

And to answer the question, I haven't found unusual treble or brightness at any sane volumes either from the headphone amp on the recorder, the headphone jack from an old Arcam Alpha 8 amp that I use sometimes, or the Decware amp (and the latter two were fed by an Arcam 7SE cd player, which is not so refined compared to my real cd playback systen up in Atlanta and thus might impart more glare to the sound). I think I prefer open cans for classical and small-group jazz since there's a certain delicacy and feathery edge to things that the 750s sometimes lack, but the 750s are very refined and wonderful sounding.

So to make a presumptuous an overly-long first post longer, I just plugged the 750s in to check. On a variety of tracks, everything from Nat King Cole and George Shearing to Broken Spindles, the 750s did present extra treble at volumes well above my normal listening levels, and I think above any safe and expected levels. At more normal volumes, the 750s reminded me again why I found them so appealing before--lots of detail, but not in a harsh, forward sort of way, great bass, and an overall very coherent presentation (Nat King Cole's voice sounds extra creamy and velvety).

So in a short conclusion in case you skipped to the end, I think you're safe on the treble thing, and put my vote as a definite supporter of the 750s.

Robert
 
Nov 21, 2006 at 5:31 AM Post #8 of 10
I've been a 750 fan for a few months now, but the treble can be a tad bit harsh with certain newer records. The new Keane album for example, is almost unbearable after listening for 5min, whereas the RS-1 does quite a fine job with it. The albums that do not sound good with them are few and far between though.

BTW, glad to hear you are enjoying them Wayne!
 
Nov 22, 2006 at 5:28 AM Post #10 of 10
nelda--I've found the isolation to be exceptional, though admittedly my studio use usually involves keeping what's playing from getting out to microphones and not keeping outside noises from intruding on my listening pleasure. But when I have used them for listening to music, I'm never aware of house noises. When I bought mine, I remember customer reviews on the music instrument/ recording gear sites (Musicians Friend, etc.) praising the isolation, and some were specifically posted by drummers who were amazed at how much isolation they got while playing with the 750s on.

Robert
 

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