Are Sennheisers known to have noticeable left:right balance/EQ differences?

Aug 5, 2017 at 1:17 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 13

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I've bought two pairs of HD558s and they both have the same problem: the sound seems slightly panned to the right. It's not an artifact of me or my setup as it also affects mono tracks, the shift swaps if I turn the headphones around and wear them backwards, and it doesn't happen with other headphones.

Bumming around the web I found a post by some random guy who claims that Sennheiser deliberately uses different EQ on each driver to enhance the overall soundstage. This would go a ways to explain why I notice the problem more on female vocals than other stuff, but I don't know enough about Sennheiser to know if it's a legit statement or bull.

Does anyone know what's up with this?
 
Aug 6, 2017 at 12:07 AM Post #3 of 13
Are Sennheisers known to have noticeable left:right balance/EQ differences?

I've bought two pairs of HD558s and they both have the same problem: the sound seems slightly panned to the right. It's not an artifact of me or my setup as it also affects mono tracks, the shift swaps if I turn the headphones around and wear them backwards, and it doesn't happen with other headphones.

I haven't encountered that problem on Sennheisers (or any other headphone brand).

That said, 75% of the time I use Sennheisers, it's my own HD600, or the HD650, HD800, etc, when I attend audio events, and these headphones are more likely to have matched drivers - ie, they test each driver pair to see if the performance variance is minimal. So admittedly, that would be kind of like if I said, "the VW gruppe makes great cars!" but in reality, I own an RS6 and have done test drives on the 911 Turbo and R8, with only very brief drives on the Golf when I helped an older coworker buy a reliable but still fun car for his kid (and he doesn't trust the kid's initial choice of buying a 1980s Firebird with his own savings, because that car screams shenanigans).


Bumming around the web I found a post by some random guy who claims that Sennheiser deliberately uses different EQ on each driver to enhance the overall soundstage. This would go a ways to explain why I notice the problem more on female vocals than other stuff, but I don't know enough about Sennheiser to know if it's a legit statement or bull****.

I have no idea how the hell they can even (continue to) use EQ on a passive headphone that has no circuits, not even a passive circuit with capacitors, to "EQ" the sound on that, much less do a different profile on each earcup.

Even the rationale for it doesn't make any sense. If left and right have enough of a response, and in this case, even an output level variance, it will not help imaging. It will in fact do the opposite.

Whoever said that, and assuming you did not misunderstand what he was saying, stop listening to that guy and relegate your imagination of what he looks like to be something like the image below, because uneven output is not an inside job, and really only the HD800 and the new Orpheus come with a "birth certificate."
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This would go a ways to explain why I notice the problem more on female vocals than other stuff

There's bound to be some variance in the response of each driver, which is why on the more expensive headphones they driver match them, including when you buy replacement drivers.

That said, even without such care being taken, the variance should not be too obvious as to pan the image of where the vocals are. There's probably a bad batch and your second set came from that same botched batch from the factory.
 
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Aug 6, 2017 at 10:41 AM Post #4 of 13
I have no idea how the hell they can even (continue to) use EQ on a passive headphone that has no circuits, not even a passive circuit with capacitors, to "EQ" the sound on that, much less do a different profile on each earcup.

Even the rationale for it doesn't make any sense. If left and right have enough of a response, and in this case, even an output level variance, it will not help imaging. It will in fact do the opposite.

Whoever said that, and assuming you did not misunderstand what he was saying,

I believe the implication was that the drivers themselves were manufactured differently, rather than any active circuitry. This was a guy who used a mic to create a bunch of APO settings to get a flatter response from each ear separately. The direct quotes are:

"I measured the speakers individually with REW and UMIK-1."

"Sennheiser HD558 have a open sound stage. They made it by having a different frequency curve for Left and Right channel. One channel have a higher volume for midrange and high frequencies. The other have a higher volume for sub, bass and high mids."

https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones...zer_apo_settings_for_sennheiser_hd558_inside/


There's probably a bad batch and your second set came from that same botched batch from the factory.
I guess that's possible. I bought them a few weeks apart but both from the same store. I want to investigate this in more depth though before I bother to try to buy yet another pair from somewhere else. I'm not 100% convinced there isn't something more complicated going on.
 
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Aug 6, 2017 at 12:13 PM Post #5 of 13
I believe the implication was that the drivers themselves were manufactured differently, rather than any active circuitry. This was a guy who used a mic to create a bunch of APO settings to get a flatter response from each ear separately. The direct quotes are:

"I measured the speakers individually with REW and UMIK-1."

That's indicative of manufacturing variances which is sort of true for most headphones, and not what you're hearing where one driver is markedly louder than the other.


"Sennheiser HD558 have a open sound stage. They made it by having a different frequency curve for Left and Right channel. One channel have a higher volume for midrange and high frequencies. The other have a higher volume for sub, bass and high mids."

https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones...zer_apo_settings_for_sennheiser_hd558_inside/

I don't see how that will deliberately help expand the soundstage. If one side has a very strong midrange and high frequencies and the other is much stronger everywhere below that, all it will do is skew the bass drum to one side and female vocals slightly off center to the other side, more so when, on headphones, each ear will only hear the driver that's on top of it, not both as you would with speakers in room.

The only thing deliberate here is that Sennheiser isn't going to pay the man hours to driver match at that price point.


I guess that's possible. I bought them a few weeks apart but both from the same store. I want to investigate this in more depth though before I bother to try to buy yet another pair from somewhere else. I'm not 100% convinced there isn't something more complicated going on.

Batches of products are a lot larger and you might still get one from the same large batch from the factory. You might as well try something else.
 
Aug 7, 2017 at 7:45 AM Post #7 of 13
I know what imbalance sounds like - had to return one Hifiman HE560 because of it. But my HD650, HD598, HD6XX, HD-25, Amperior, Momentum and wifey's Momentum on-ear - all have no imbalance I can hear.

Very often the imbalance is due to a light cold you don't know you have. That fooled me once, I was 100% sure my headphone was faulty. And since my cold only affects certain frequencies - it might feel like it's limited to only one headphone, as it's not as pronounced on others...

Make sure you go through the usual checklist:

- reverse the cable on the headphone - does the imbalance switch too?
- change the cable (if you can)
- check and double check your source ( I once had my iPhone balance slider set wrong duh)
- change the source and all upstream devices to make sure it's not there (unless you have different headphones to try)
- just put the headphones the wrong way on and see how this changes

If you still think there is an imbalance in the headphone - have it confirmed with a different human being - as I said: sometimes it's our ears and not the headphone....

Hope all is well with the headphone and your ears!!
Cheers
 
Aug 7, 2017 at 8:17 AM Post #8 of 13
- reverse the cable on the headphone - does the imbalance switch too?

I've bought two pairs of HD558s and they both have the same problem: the sound seems slightly panned to the right.
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- just put the headphones the wrong way on and see how this changes

It's not an artifact of me or my setup as it also affects mono tracks, the shift swaps if I turn the headphones around and wear them backwards, and it doesn't happen with other headphones.
 
Aug 7, 2017 at 8:41 AM Post #9 of 13
Ok - sorry - I must have mixed up reality and fiction in my head haha! For some reason I thought you were talking about the 650.

Just trying to help eliminate all possibilities:

- you have used both headphones on a completely different source and they behave the same?
- you have confirmed with another human being (another set of ears) who hears the same thing? (I am absolutely not doubting that you hear what you hear but checking might be worthwhile).

So from what you show it seems that it might likely be an imbalance. From my personal experience that is quite rare with Sennheiser - drivers are very well matched in my experience.

Cheers
 
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Aug 7, 2017 at 8:53 AM Post #10 of 13
I bought a hd600 from factory refurbished at $249. Then when I got it I heard rattling on one side for only certain songs. This was years ago. Anyway Senn gave me the runaround and I ended going to a Senn authorized repair to replace the broken driver. I learned later people saying hair getting stuck in the driver sometimes causing the rattling. So I could only wonder if a simple vacuuming could have saved me the additional $80 and gas. Anyway the shop replaced I think both drivers or all Senn drivers sound very close despite age, because the sound quality after repair was soothing to my wounds. I have since not bought a refurbished headphones, go figure.
 
Aug 7, 2017 at 11:28 AM Post #11 of 13
Definitely make sure there aren't hairs in the drivers or other vibration-prone particles in general.
 
Aug 7, 2017 at 1:20 PM Post #12 of 13
Bought two 598SR units. One seemed slightly unbalanced, but more importantly one had brighter signature and the other one was darker with more warmer tonality.
 
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Aug 7, 2017 at 4:15 PM Post #13 of 13
Very often the imbalance is due to a light cold you don't know you have. That fooled me once, I was 100% sure my headphone was faulty. And since my cold only affects certain frequencies
Yeah, there might be something to this. I just noticed last night that my overall perception of how the headphone sounds was slightly different before and after I took a shower. I'm not sure what's up with that. I wondered if maybe there was something ear wax related so I tried cleaning my ears, but that hasn't changed the slight panning problem I hear.

Ok - sorry - I must have mixed up reality and fiction in my head haha!
That wasn't me me replying, buy yeah, I can't swap around the cable on the 558 and I already wore them backwards and played in mono to eliminate those variables.

you have used both headphones on a completely different source and they behave the same?
That I haven't done, but probably should. I assumed since I don't hear it with my other headphones it can't be the computer, but now that I think about it that's not 100% guaranteed since different headphones will have different impedances and it's always possible that it could have a non-obvious failure where it drives some ok and others not ok. (This is exactly the sense of "more complicated" I wanted to investigate before I chalk it up to a bad run at the factory). I'd have to make a few custom mono test tracks first though before I can try with my phone. The idea of connecting through some minijack<>rca adapters to swap the l/r around isn't a bad idea either. I'll try all this in a while and report back.

you have confirmed with another human being (another set of ears) who hears the same thing?
Unfortunately no, none of the people I know could help me with this. (some combination of "can't tell" and "don't care")


> hair

That's not it, one of these I just bought a couple days ago. No time to get dirty yet.
 
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