APS V3 recabled DT48a first impressions.

Jul 4, 2009 at 3:53 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 11

kool bubba ice

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APS is number 1. Very professional. Always responsive to PM/IM/email. Reliable. I have dealt with APS on 5 different occasions. The turn around time APS has given me usually end up being shorter then his estimation. 14 days turns out to be 10 days. Packaging is very well done. APS cares as much about your headphones as you do. That is the highest compliment I can give to a company. I'm paranoid about my gear, so not worrying about my headphones being mis handled in another plus.

Cable design and build.

I'm very impressed by the way the cable looks and feels. Believe me, spend the extra money for the nylon sleaving. It's worth it. Feels very smooth and ultra flexible. My only gripe about the V2 was the fact that it was stiff and coarse to the touch. Was always 'knotty.' The V3 is a night and day difference in that regard. The futurtech 1/4 plug really surprised me. The weight, look, and feel screams quality.

Sound quality. Any improvements?

Only two things really stuck out. Bass response was noticeably improved. More weight and control at the bottom. Has more authority to it. 2nd, it's louder. I was having connection problem on the left side, and have no idea the skills of the person who originally recabled them. They are sold bare ended. So the sound is louder and a bit more open and clearer. I need to turn down the volume on my receiver a few db's now after the recable. Minor improvement in the micro detail department. I use the interrogation scene from XXX to evaluate ambient noises. I been doing this for over 2 yrs with all my headphones so I'm familiar with what to expect. I will double check with my other DT48 models to see, but might be a moot point since I feel they are slightly more detailed anyways. Sound stage has a bit more horizontal width and depth, but could be due to them sounding louder. I will need to evaluate them longer.

Pricing

APS has very competitive pricing, and cheaper then some 3rd party cable makers.

Final comments. Recommendations.

The V3 seems to be neutral. I had my SA5000 recabled with the 650 stock cable and it heavily influenced the sound of my SA5000. I know I wasn't imagining things cause another SA5000 owner had his SA5000 recabled with the stock 650 cable, and PMed me about the differences to the sound. All negative. Do this mean I fully endorse getting a expensive recable? Depends. If you are looking for better SQ on a budget, or bang for the buck, getting a recable job should be last on your list. If you love a particular headphone and want to pimp them out visually, looking for a different flavor of sound, or to get the most potential out of them, then yes. But a quality cable isn't always about expense. The stock 650 cable influenced the sound much more then the more expensive Cardas..Albeit, for the SA5000, turned out negative. No cable debates please.. Theres a sound science forum for that.
 
Jul 4, 2009 at 4:04 AM Post #2 of 11
Nice impressions, also could we get some pictures?
 
Jul 4, 2009 at 5:02 AM Post #4 of 11
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Originally Posted by Zombie_X /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Nice impressions, also could we get some pictures?


TY. I'm still waiting for APS to post the pics. His camera is very kick ass. I only have one pic know. Will link when I'm on my computer. Using my PS3 at the moment.
 
Jul 4, 2009 at 5:05 AM Post #5 of 11
OK. I wish my pictures were better but I'm using a crappy Polaroid i531 digital camera.
 
Jul 4, 2009 at 9:15 AM Post #6 of 11
[size=small]If the APS V3 is roughly equivalent to the Headphile BlackGold in quality, the cable should be fairly neutral. Both involved combining silver cables with some copper cabling. Although silver cables are said to be colorless, I have seen Headfiers complain about them "thinning out" the sound. The copper cable with its thicker sound should help to neutralize the "thinning out" effect of the silver.

This is all very interesting for me since I plan to use APS to upgrade the cabling on a few of my phones.[/size]
 
Jul 4, 2009 at 9:28 AM Post #7 of 11
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Originally Posted by Jap /img/forum/go_quote.gif
[size=small]If the APS V3 is roughly equivalent to the Headphile BlackGold in quality, the cable should be fairly neutral. Both involved combining silver cables with some copper cabling. Although silver cables are said to be colorless, I have seen Headfiers complain about them "thinning out" the sound. The copper cable with its thicker sound should help to neutralize the "thinning out" effect of the silver.

This is all very interesting for me since I plan to use APS to upgrade the cabling on a few of my phones.[/size]



Actually this should interest you.. I focused on music for a good hr or so, and have come to the conclusion that the APS V3 is a very transparent and neutral cable. bad recordings sounded worse, and good recordings sound better. Really is a catch 22. The difference is more noticeable now with the cable. Was the stock cable the bottle neck? The DT48 are transparent anyways. I would like others to chime in.. Is this true. Am I just imaging this? if not, it's pretty remarkable. It adds nothing to the music, just allows you to 'see' it better. I will edit my initial post after some more time. Just makes me wonder how a V3 recabled HP1/2 would sound.
 
Jul 4, 2009 at 12:39 PM Post #8 of 11
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Originally Posted by kool bubba ice /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Actually this should interest you.. I focused on music for a good hr or so, and have come to the conclusion that the APS V3 is a very transparent and neutral cable. bad recordings sounded worse, and good recordings sound better. Really is a catch 22. The difference is more noticeable now with the cable. Was the stock cable the bottle neck? The DT48 are transparent anyways. I would like others to chime in.. Is this true. Am I just imaging this? if not, it's pretty remarkable. It adds nothing to the music, just allows you to 'see' it better. I will edit my initial post after some more time. Just makes me wonder how a V3 recabled HP1/2 would sound.


[size=small]Well, something should be added, even if the net effect is an even transparency/neutrality. With my BlackGold, the copper cabling adds low end grunt to the bass and more meat to the mids. The silver cable sweetens the mids and treble while extending the treble/bass extremes. The silver/copper combo adds detail, plus, the darkness of the copper is neutralized by the "lightness" of the silver. I would expect something similar for the APS V3.[/size]
 
Jul 4, 2009 at 2:12 PM Post #9 of 11
Very nice impressions KBI.

It is very good to hear that the APS V3 is neutral and do not affect the tonal balance of teh headphone.

Compared to other recabled you made before, how would you evaluate the impact on the DT48a... Or would you say the DT48a respond more or less than other headphone to a recable.

Thanks
 
Jul 4, 2009 at 7:39 PM Post #10 of 11
Can't say.. I only have the stock cable to compare it with. Too bad I can't A/B both cables. I did with my 650 stock and the Cardas cable.. I felt the Cardas was a waste of money.. The improvements, if any, was slight, and bothered me, after hearing all the praise they got.
 
Jul 4, 2009 at 7:46 PM Post #11 of 11
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Originally Posted by Jap /img/forum/go_quote.gif
[size=small]Well, something should be added, even if the net effect is an even transparency/neutrality. With my BlackGold, the copper cabling adds low end grunt to the bass and more meat to the mids. The silver cable sweetens the mids and treble while extending the treble/bass extremes. The silver/copper combo adds detail, plus, the darkness of the copper is neutralized by the "lightness" of the silver. I would expect something similar for the APS V3.[/size]


The bass response has a beefier low end, and better controlled. I notice no improvements in the mids. The sound is louder.. Horizontally, the sound stage has widened, but still heavily left to right. Resolve and micro detail has improved.. They sound more open and more clear. There might be a hint of better bass extension.
 

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