Feb 13, 2003 at 2:04 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 21

Matthew-Spaltro

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So I've finally starting to spread my wings and go apartment hunting. I am wondering what utilities typicaly cost. Heat and water. Stuff like that. 1 bedroom and 1 bath is what I am after if anyone is wondering.
 
Feb 13, 2003 at 3:59 AM Post #5 of 21
In a small 2 bedroom apartment where I live the electricity bill easily reaches $200+ a month. A bit higher in the summer due to 2 airconditioners + 3 computers going 24/7.
 
Feb 13, 2003 at 5:29 AM Post #6 of 21
Holy ****! 200 a month electricity?

Well I'm attending school in dirt cheap middle American, Crawfordsville Indianna. I live in a 1 Bedroom apt. and pay around 30 a month in gas, 30 in electricity and 40 in phone. It might be a bit more though for electricity this month though, as I've had my audio equipment burning in 24/7 for the last 2 weeks.
 
Feb 13, 2003 at 5:45 AM Post #7 of 21
In Canada where electricity is a hellavalot cheaper than you folks south of the border, it takes about $25/month to power a Pentium 3 800 Mhz comp. I have a few of those and a few 1.4Ghz + cpu running near 24 hours/day. I don't pay for electricity thank goodness but you should know they aren't cheap. With the US prices being MUCH higher especially in say California...expect to pay 25-30 US/comp if you leave it on 24/7.
 
Feb 13, 2003 at 6:13 AM Post #8 of 21
My numbers are similiar dokebi except I'm on the Westside
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. But I live close to my campus so the prices here are insanely high.
 
Feb 13, 2003 at 6:56 AM Post #9 of 21
I just moved out of the dorms.. and I'm technically in school housing.. but not.
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Anyhow, while I don't pay for utilities, I pay $675/mo in rent.. which includes utilities and UW ethernet. [Hehe.. helluvalot faster than getting cable in an unaffiliated apartment complex.. <G>] Parking is $65/mo, and cable TV is ~$40/mo [don't have cable, though..]

This is for a 375 sq. foot studio, complete with a full bathroom, full kitchen, and a walk-in/walk-through closet. [I have to walk through the clost to get to the bathroom.]

Other apartments I looked at, the average prices were about $1.5-$2/sq. foot. Electricity was about $25/mo and water for "normal" usage [whatever that is..] was also around $25/mo. [But that's only what I was told.. and it's unverified..
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Feb 13, 2003 at 8:41 AM Post #10 of 21
Hm.. and here I am paying around $90US p/w rent for a 3 bedroom house with front and back garden, undercover parking in driveway, full bathroom, 5 mins drive from the city.. my electricity bill is something like $37US for 3 months with 2 computers running 24/7, various A/V equipment etc.

On the other hand, my internet costs me around $40US per month for a 512k adsl link.

10mins drive from a lot of different beaches too!

Just in case you're thinking of moving to Australia
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Feb 13, 2003 at 8:47 AM Post #11 of 21
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Originally posted by Zanth
expect to pay 25-30 US/comp if you leave it on 24/7.


Not even close. Leaving your computer on takes hardly any electricity at all. Most electricity costs are due to electric heating, fridge and microwave, water heater, washer, dryer, dishwasher, audio amplifiers and televisions, lights, and then maybe computers. Don't worry about your computer if you're looking to cut electricty costs.

Also, you need to factor in heating costs. All these folks living in warm environments don't have to deal with that. In my house (a big house, at around 2800 sq ft), gas heat was over $300 last month.

I guess for a small apartment you'd pay close to $150 a month in the winter, less when you don't have heat.
 
Feb 13, 2003 at 9:11 AM Post #12 of 21
Matt,

try to find an aprartment that costs 1 week's salary. two weeks' salary and you might be pushing it. that leaves you with 1 week's salary for utilities and 1 week's salary for food, entertainment and savings.

try to save at least 1 week's salary per month.

i was stupid when i was young. i made the big bucks and blew it all on "entertinment".

when you hit 40 to 50, (usually around 46 or 47) you'll likely have a lifestyle change. then you are likely not to be making as much money. hope you have all your toys by then. like a house.

if you can, try to save 25% of your weekly paycheck. put it in bonds if you must. are patriot bonds still available at 4%?

go to a used bookstore and buy some nice books on investing and saving. no, you don't have to put the money into the market. 7% to 10% bonds are a nice investment (3% more than inflation minimum). the average return on the market is 6.66%. start up KEOG plans. find ways to safeguard your money. start an IRA along with your 401K or pension. learn to shelter your money.

if you bought a $50 savings bond a week (actual cost is $25 a week), and every 7 years when it came due you bought a bond for twice the amount (actual amount is what you converted it for) (and added the "usual" $25 a week), and if you start at age 19, what would it be worth at age 65? do the math. year 1 - 7, buy a $50 bond (actual cost $25 a week). Years 8-15, buy a $75 bond per week ($50 plus $25 per week), years 22-29, buy 1 $175, years 30-37 buy a $375 bond per week, years 38-45 buy a $775 a week bond. at age 67 you'll be getting $775 a week for the next 7 years. now add your KEOG, IRA, Pension, 401K, and social security. anything you don't need you put into another 7 year bond. by then hopefully you will have sold your $1 million dollar house and either moved to a poorer country (lower standard of living) or bought a house in the country/mountainside. oh, you bought the $50,000 cabin when you were 45 years old. and it's paid for.
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hmmm. easy living.

payoff 20% of the gross of your credit cards every month. change credit cards every 3 to 6 months to lock in low rates. it'll probably cost you $25 to transfer balances. do the math. never owe more than $2000 on a credit card. never have more than 2 credit cards. ($1000 each max balance).

any used car you buy will probably need $2000 to $2500 in repairs to make it last another 2 years. but you'll save $500 a year in insurance over a new car (at least, probably more). you'll probably need to replace the battery, muffler, brakes, tires, sparkplugs, distributor cap, rotor, alternator, hoses, wiper blades, ... don't buy a car that has been in storage for over a year and has not had a teaspoon of oil put into every cylinder every year, nor moved 25' per month. forget fast cars. go for fuel economy. look at the service records. were the axel fluids changed every 25,000 miles? if it has over 100,000 miles on the engine, do a motor clean. have a mechanic go over the car before you buy. it'll cost you $50 to $100. the mechanic will give you an estimate of what it will cost you to legally drive it for 2 years.

save as if you want to put down a $25,000 down payment on a house in 5 years. ($5,000 a year).

do not owe anything on your credit cards by december 31 of any year. pay them all off. pay everything by cash. save.

save as much as 6 months of salary (half your salary). that way if you get laid off you can make the mortage payments.

sell anything you don't need. don't throw anything away. sell it on ebay, instead.

save.
save.
save.

i've gone from a $35 an hour job to a $8 an hour job. could you do the same at age 50? forget nightclubing every weekend. forget the $40,000 car. save for a house. if you can put down 50% on a house, you'll have it half licked. i prefer a 30 year mortage. a 15% puts too much strain. you'll need the wife working, then.

remember, cars are like women. the more beautiful it is, the more everyone wants to steal it. try to find a good one.

find a good doctor, a good mechanic and a good lawyer.

buy only the things you need, not the things you want. buy things that will last 20 years.

never rent an apartment with electric heat
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$200 a month in the cold season. go for gas. replace your furnace every 10 years.

get 8 hours sleep a night.
 
Feb 13, 2003 at 9:27 AM Post #13 of 21
Nice post wallijonn,

I think all of us 25-and-unders can take a tip or two.. or three or four or more... from your last post ...
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Nice and informative.. maybe it'll help my wallet from crying every night...


.... and maybe not ...
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But the part about credit cards... my recommendation is this: Never buy anything you can't afford to pay off at the end of the month, if it's not an essential. Credit card interest rates, even the low ones, can be brutal. (ie: don't buy a pair of can's, an amp, etc. if you can't pay it off...)
 
Feb 13, 2003 at 9:56 AM Post #14 of 21
vwap,

and what if you just HAVE to have that $1800 Headroom Max or that $900 RKV? or that 54" TV, washing machine just broke, gotta paint the house, the car need new tyres, the kid needs braces, i fell off the roof and broke both my legs? what then?

you should have a $500 internet card (which you change every 3 months) and a $1000 credit card for unseen car repairs, air plane tickets and a car rental. you know you have to take out the wife to dinner one a month, and you have to take the wife away for a vacation once a year. the vacation alone will be $2000. don't do these things and you can kiss your marriage goodbye. (unless she's a good one. but you have to have a 5 or 7 year plan so that she can see why you're both suffering and what you're both working for).

if the wife makes her own clothes, you have to buy a used sewing machine, patterns, material. (always keep her busy
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) do you really NEED $1000 golf clubs? hell, for that matter, do you really NEED a $2000 headphone setup?

i agree with you. NEVER BUY ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN"T PAY OFF AT THE END OF THE MONTH. but cds, dvds, a knife set here, a table there, a carpet here, a kitchen remodelling there... they all add up.

i know people who owe $50,000 on their credit cards.
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do you really want to be in that situation? you are if you just bought that $75,000 car. it's nice to have money, now. but it's nicer to have money later.
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my parents never told me about money. (they were, and still are, poor). so i was always poor (even when i was "rich"). what do you think the rich people tell their children? invest. save. buy real estate. travel. sell. move. live comfortably the rest of your life. leave nothing for the tax man.
 
Feb 13, 2003 at 10:12 AM Post #15 of 21
P.S.

now that i've gotten a job after a year of looking, what do you think is the first thing i'm going to do? i'm going to invest $25 a week into bonds. (my 401K is at $100,000. i'm not going to touch that for another 20 years). hey it's an extra $300 a week. so chances are that after i start working you won't be hearing too much from me. (rotating shifts and all). if i work it right, i'll either be driving around rock stars for $100,000 a year or driving the bus at Zion National Park for $30,000 a year. either way, i hope to have that cabin by the lake. Pagosa Springs, Colorado - please wait for me.
 

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