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Oct 2, 2006 at 6:10 PM Post #2 of 46
This is very sad. And at an Amish school no less. This sort of thing has been rare in Canada (thank goodness) although we had an incident quite recently. The first of this sort of tragedy to occur in Canada, happened at my old high school, 3 years after I graduated. I attended classes with the shooter's older brother. The entire town was devastated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centenn...chool_massacre
 
Oct 2, 2006 at 6:19 PM Post #3 of 46
Very unfortunate. A man goes into a single-building classroom in am amish community and kills 6 children and injures others. It is amazing the type of violence that some people are capable of. It is, as if they were born missing something which makes the rest of use decent, sane, and normal.
 
Oct 2, 2006 at 8:13 PM Post #5 of 46
We were watching the news in our History class.

Apparently the shooter had some issues 20 years ago with the Amish when he was 10. I wonder what was so bad that caused him to do this. In any case, this should have never happened, I mean it isn't like the Amish children in there did anything to him.
 
Oct 2, 2006 at 8:52 PM Post #6 of 46
I think what we're seeing is people copycatting the Columbine morons. But still, why all of the sudden is this the hot thing to do if you're a disturbed loner? Maybe it's all the media - maybe they think it's a glamorous way to go. A big F U to the world....

It makes me sad for our society.
 
Oct 2, 2006 at 9:37 PM Post #7 of 46
The shooter will have a nice time burning in hell for eternity. and I feel zero remorse for him. What a dick head. Too bad he had to target some defensless children instead of taking up whatever problem he had respectfully with the people that caused it.. I don't even know what problems the amish can cause, they're in their own little world and I dont think the bother people too much. Who knows.
 
Oct 2, 2006 at 10:36 PM Post #8 of 46
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What's wrong with this country, it seems like attack in school is a hot trend. School is supposed to be a safe haven for children.


Which is why they're being attacked.

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But still, why all of the sudden is this the hot thing to do if you're a disturbed loner? Maybe it's all the media - maybe they think it's a glamorous way to go. A big F U to the world....


In this case, they seem to be copycatting Kimveer Gill. The murderers' targets in three of these shootings have been exclusively female.
 
Oct 2, 2006 at 11:22 PM Post #9 of 46
The whole trend is just too sick for words, I can't remotely imagine how someone could do that... it's a total nightmare. I find it scary in a different way from terrorism originating from / based on ideologies from far-away places, because it seems like these perpetrators come from right amongst our own society, even if they are outcasts. As said above, it's like a total FU to society, a total breaking of the intangible bonds holding us together. That seems to me to be terrorism of the worst type. And I'm not sure how these incidents can ultimately be effectively prevented, because it seems to me that living in a relatively free society correlates with the ability to do something terrible like that if you are completely determined to do so (i.e. if you don't care about either common morality or the deterrents we have in place). Politicians in Canada talk about gun control but I doubt the real effectiveness of those measures against sick criminals. I have no idea what (acceptable) solution could be effective against people who have stooped to these levels of criminality.

Something I've wondered is whether these types of incidents are a new thing, or whether they're consistent aberisms in society. Are there more people that feel extremely isolated and bitter against society (if that is the reason people do this), and even if so, what drives some of these people to commit violence? Is the fact that these crimes have been perpetrated against schoolchildren unknown to the criminal the only new trend? If so, what's the cause - is it just copycatting?

I really feel like we need to figure out why the hell this happens and how we can stop it.
 
Oct 2, 2006 at 11:35 PM Post #10 of 46
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it seems like attack in school is a hot trend. School is supposed to be a safe haven for children.


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why all of the sudden is this the hot thing to do if you're a disturbed loner?


Honestly, schools actually publicize the fact that they are gun-free zones. If I wanted to pick a place I could go kill a bunch of people somewhere where I could expect no resistance, it would be a school. I'm waiting for the day that our society recognizes that 1)there are evil people out there 2) they are not going to go away and 3)the only thing they understand is force.
 
Oct 2, 2006 at 11:52 PM Post #11 of 46
This incident happened less than five miles from where I live. The local media is covering the situation almost without interruption. Such a thing is a horrible tragedy anywhere, at anytime, involving any innocent people or person, but especially so in that it involves the Amish. I have known many Amish people and have been friends with several. The Amish are a people that choose to distance themselves from "worldly" things. It is a measure of our world that these tragedies continue to escalate to the extent that they extend into their lives to such a degree. (...just last week an Amish boy on a scooter was killed by a hit-and-run driver not far from where this incident happened...) The national media is filled with speculation and psychological analysis concerning the perpetrator. Locally, people are focusing on the victims and their families. (including the family of the man who did this...)
 
Oct 3, 2006 at 12:15 AM Post #12 of 46
These kinds of acts make me sad I ever left Germany. You don't hear about these sorts of tragedies from where I was born.

I know...why don't I just go back? It's not that simple, and I won't get into it.

The family of the children have my deepest condolences.
 
Oct 3, 2006 at 1:07 AM Post #14 of 46
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Originally Posted by OGTL
The shooter will have a nice time burning in hell for eternity. and I feel zero remorse for him. What a dick head. Too bad he had to target some defensless children instead of taking up whatever problem he had respectfully with the people that caused it.. I don't even know what problems the amish can cause, they're in their own little world and I dont think the bother people too much. Who knows.



So sad for the family and friends. By the way I think Hell is to good for him!
 
Oct 3, 2006 at 1:28 AM Post #15 of 46
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Originally Posted by trains are bad
Honestly, schools actually publicize the fact that they are gun-free zones. If I wanted to pick a place I could go kill a bunch of people somewhere where I could expect no resistance, it would be a school. I'm waiting for the day that our society recognizes that 1)there are evil people out there 2) they are not going to go away and 3)the only thing they understand is force.


I don't think it would help as much as you'd think. Schools would still be soft targets even if guns, swords, grenades, and/or tactical nukes were allowed. The potential hostage to potential responder ratio is far too high.

In the Amish case, the victims would not have defended themselves, even if they could. In the case of the high school principal's shooting, it's very likely the murderer got the drop on him and would have killed him even if he was an IPSC Grandmaster. In the Colorado case, the man entered the school without suspicion, then armed himself and took hostages. Window of opportunity here? Vanishingly small. Odds of escalating the situation? Very high. In the Canadian case, well, Canadians are disarmed anyways. But in that case, armed citizen response might have helped as Kimveer started shooting before taking hostages.
 
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