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Amazon launches Music HD with lossless streaming

Discussion in 'Computer Audio' started by gemNeye, Apr 26, 2019.
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  1. SteveOliver
    People using tricks to get multiple free or low price trials are probably the main reason why Tidal and similar services are loosing money. We shouldn't do this because in the long-term its only hurting us.

    The temptation is high I know but its whatever way you spin it its legalised piracy, please don't do it folks.

    Steps off soapbox
     
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  2. rkw
    You make a valid point about ethics. However losses are, by far, due to music licensing fees.
     
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  3. Soundizer



    thank you.

    you are a MEGA SUPER STAR LASER LIGHT KING.

    I have copied your post to my notes - that’s how much i like it.

    how do you close an old account?
     
  4. Soundizer
    totally agree.

    i was very excited about Amazon Music HD and at a fair price.

    1. No exclusive mode on desktop.
    2. bit perfect to mobile DACs not supported.

    i was only listening to 24bit/96khz tracks deliberately so that no upsampling happens. Not good.
     
  5. Soundizer
    If TIDAL offered a fair market price then people would not do this so much. I used Spotify for 3 years and never hunted for deals, just kept same £10/month account going.

    £12 to £15 might be a more fair price. Netflix streams HDR/ATMOS for only £11.

    TIDAL Executives are getting well paid regardless of Business Profitability, they pay themselves a fat salary and main goal is to increase the Company Market Value. Same with Spotify which hardly makes any real profit, but Company Value is astronomical now.
     
    Last edited: Nov 28, 2019
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  6. itchyears

    Its different for each platform I tend to google how to close "spotify" account permanently and follow the links and guides on how to do it, you can replace spotify with deezer or tidal etc
    It changes also so usually best to google it or bookmark these links:

    https://community.spotify.com/t5/Ac...delete-my-Spotify-account/m-p/1294077#M188877

    https://support.deezer.com/hc/en-gb/articles/201168742-Delete-your-account

    https://blogcheater.com/how-to-delete-tidal-account/
     
  7. itchyears

    Think of it another way though, how many people are willing to pay £15 per month or 99p per month, there is a reason why spotify, deezer and tidal offer 99p and £1.99 or free monthly trials every other week, they probably make there money back or make even more money.

    If they were losing money it would never have been offered in the first place.

    Technology and the internet boom changed the streaming perception along with youtube, we have the regularly paying customers and the folk who still want it but can't quite afford it or believe it should actually be 99p per month anyhow since its free on youtube already or they don't want to spent £100+ per month of multiple streaming platforms. I think its brilliant everyone wins and no one loses, everyone gets paid and gets what they want.

    It reminds me of Microsofts business model in India, no one in india even used a genuine copy of windows really so they simply offered pirated windows owners a discounted genuine license code for $3 and it worked 100,000s customers signed up to it within weeks.
     
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  8. SteveOliver
    OK point noted, this is probably not the right place to be discussing business economics and I probably shouldn't have posted what I wrote above so I wont say anymore.
     
  9. Soundizer
    AMAZON MUSIC HD - audio quality comparison to TIDAL HIFI

    ...........................................................................................................................................................................................................................
    Source Hardware Device:
    iPadPro 12.9inch 2019.
    Supports 24bit/192Khz via USB-C output.
    Latest iOS version as of 28 Nov, 2019.
    Audio Music - Apps/Software:
    Amazon Music HD [iOS APP - version 9.3.2]
    TIDAL HIFI [iOS APP - version 2.8.4].
    Both Apps are the Latest iOS version as of 28 Nov, 2019.
    External DAC: Audioquest Cobalt [24bit/96Khz, MQA renders].
    Headphones: Focal Clear
    ...........................................................................................................................................................................................................................
    +ALL ALBUMS WERE DOWNLOADED TO IPAD PRO IN ULTRA HD.
    +LOUDNESS NORMALISATION, GAPLESS PLAYBACK AND OPTIMISED PLAYBACK ALL WERE SWITCHED OFF.
    +IPAD PRO SWITCHED TO AIRP PLANE MODE WITH WIFI/BLUETOOTH OFF - TO MINIMISE ANY INTERFERENCE.
    +BOTH AMAZON MUSIC HD AND TIDAL HIFI APPS WERE SET IN OFFLINE MODE WHEN PLAYING BACK.
    +Fortunately I could listen in a very quiet room without any audible background sounds.


    Notes: The comparison Albums included are all 24bit.
    On Amazon Music HD iOS APP there is upsampling happening. So for anything less then 96Khz it upsamples to 96Khz. If however Album is 96Khz it will play correctly as DAC is 96Khz - so in this case no upsampling happens. See below for Album details and I state if it is being upsampled.
    Tidal plays at correct bit rate upto 96Khz in this set up - using Cobalt DAC.
    For TIDAL HIFI - I have selected Master version of the Albums, because this according to TIDAL is the best quality available [according to TIDAL]. Tidal iOS APP decodes Master MQA on iPadPro and Cobalt will render it upto 96Khz. Some Albums might be 44.1, 48, 88 Khz - unable to see what Khz they are via iPadPro App/Cobalt.
    ...........................................................................................................................................................................................................................

    ALBUM 1: “Paul Weller - True Meanings”
    Amazon Music HD - iOS APP [Album format = 24bit/44.1Khz]. UPSAMPLED TO 96Khz.
    TIDAL - iOS APP [Album format = 24bit/Master].
    Audio Comparison:
    + TIDAL ADVANTAGE. Tidal wins for me as it is less brittle.
    + TIDAL ADVANTAGE. Tidal is slightly smoother, but without losing any resolution.
    + TIDAL ADVANTAGE. Amazon is bit more mid forward, which seems to be a flatter sound and less depth compared to Tidal.

    ALBUM 2: “Spectre - James Bond Movie Soundtrack”
    Amazon Music HD - iOS APP [Album format = 24bit/44.1Khz]. UPSAMPLED TO 96Khz.
    TIDAL - iOS APP [Album format = 24bit/Master].
    Audio Comparison:
    + TIDAL ADVANTAGE. Tidal is slightly smoother, but without losing any resolution.

    ALBUM 3: “TALKING HEADS: 77”
    Amazon Music HD - iOS APP [Album format = 24bit/96Khz]. CORRECT BIT RATE PLAYED
    TIDAL - iOS APP [Album format = 24bit/Master].
    Audio Comparison:
    They sound slightly different, with Amazon a bit more forward in mids yet not in a negative way. No advantage in my opinion and both are equal.

    ALBUM 4: “PETER GABRIEL - SO (SPECIAL EDITION)”
    Amazon Music HD - iOS APP [Album format = 24bit/96Khz]. CORRECT BIT RATE PLAYED
    TIDAL - iOS APP [Album format = 24bit/Master].
    Audio Comparison:
    Sound similar. No one has an advantage.

    ALBUM 5: “ICONOLOGY - MISSY ELLIOT”
    Amazon Music HD - iOS APP [Album format = 24bit/96Khz]. CORRECT BIT RATE PLAYED
    TIDAL - iOS APP [Album format = 24bit/Master].
    Audio Comparison:
    +TIDAL ADVANTAGE. Slightly more low end sub base picked up on Focal Clear.



    CONCLUSION
    There seems to be a more distinctive advantage to Tidal on the Albums where Amazon is applying upsampling - based on the above 5 Albums tested. For other Albums there is very little difference.

    I hope Amazon decides to play bit perfect and I don’t see why it can’t, since it is able to show us correct information on both track resolution aswell as connected DAC capability. Yet the actual playing resolution it shows is incorrect when using an external DAC. I got same results with my Chord Mojo where everything was upsampled to 192Khz, yet the yellow label incorrectly stated a lower track playing resolution.

    For Amazon Music, If using External DAC I would not risk using anything higher than 96Khz, such as a 192khz DAC as the upsampling would be too much - taking 44.1 tracks all the way to 192khz. And there are plenty of 44.1 tracks on Amazon.

    A horribly inconvenient solution which is a massive compromise is to only listen to 24bit/96khz tracks when using a 24bit/96khz DAC - such as Audioquest Cobalt would then all be played correctly.


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  10. grokit
    I'm digging the Thanksgiving Dinner Party playlist, for the most part.
     
  11. Brava210
    So using my Fiio which plays all files correctly i should be all good with Amazon?
     
  12. SteveOliver
    Well you should do your own comparisons to be sure but I would say yes. Which Fiio is that BTW?
     
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  13. Brava210
    Fiio M6 which always plays tracks at the correct bitrate/Khz because its a modified operating system apparently.
     
    Last edited: Nov 29, 2019
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  14. Brava210
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  15. Andrew_WOT
    MQA is lossy compression, there will be difference.
    Try to compare flac vs flac bypassing upsampling.
     
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