Advice from Edition 9 owners required

[musicman59]

I am wating to received my new Edition 9 hopfuly next week and I need your opinion regarding re-cable them.
I am thinking in sedning them to Brad at Revelation Audio Labs for him to re-cable them for me. Do you think it is worth doing it? or Is the original cable good enough for the headphones?
I have very good experience with some of RAL cables but not on headphoes yet and reading about other people experience with them in thier headphones it sounds they produce very positive results.

Any opinions/ Should I invest in re-cable them> and is RAL the best way to go?

Thanks in advance for your help.

 

[mdarnton]

Speaking totally selfishly, here, what I'd like to see you do is burn them in completely, develop an opinion about how they sound, and then send them in for new cables. . . . . . . then, tell us all how it worked.

 

[orkney]

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Originally Posted by musicman59 /img/forum/go_quote.gif I am wating to received my new Edition 9 hopfuly next week and I need your opinion regarding re-cable them. I am thinking in sedning them to Brad at Revelation Audio Labs for him to re-cable them for me. Do you think it is worth doing it? or Is the original cable good enough for the headphones?

I'm guessing that a recable will make some difference on the 9s but there's no way I'd rush to recable mine without listening to them a whole lot first (mine are also on their way soon, I hope!). Since it seems to take anywhere from 100 hours to a calendar year to a geological epoch for the 9s to break in, maybe you'll have the chance to decide whether a recable is warranted.

Not an Ed 9 story, but my RS-2s have been recabled with Moon Silver Dragon and this has made a considerable difference -- a sort of hybrid between RS2 and RS1 with most of the strengths intact. So I'm a believer, but I'd always want to listen long and hard before taking the plunge.

congrats on the new arrival!

best,

o

 

[Hardwired]

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Originally Posted by mdarnton /img/forum/go_quote.gif Speaking totally selfishly, here, what I'd like to see you do is burn them in completely, develop an opinion about how they sound, and then send them in for new cables. . . . . . . then, tell us all how it worked.

Yeah, what he said. I would have to at least listen to them for a few hundred hours first to know if I wanted them recabled at all. Otherwise you've never really heard them.

 

[Liver]

Yea man, taste it first, then add salt if you need to.

 

[ldj325]

Myself and several other Edition 9 owners feel that for full burn in effect, 400hours or more are required. At 200-250 they are most of the way there, but there are some nice subtle improvements that occur between 250-400 hrs. As others have suggested, see how you like them and then decide on the recable. There are 30-40 "known" Edition 9 owners on Head-fi. And maybe only 1-2 recabling (and they are not real vocal). So you could be one of the first. I for one would love to know the difference recabling makes. But the Edition 9s sound great to my ears and I'd be hesitant to mess with the existing synergy with the existing cable. And If I were doing it RAL seems like a nice way to go. And they might make a great headphone even better.

I have had my Edition 9s reterminated so they can go balanced or single-ended. As much as I like the Edition 9s single-ended, I like them even more balanced (with balanced amp of course), so some risk taking pays off.

 

[vcoheda]

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Originally Posted by ldj325 /img/forum/go_quote.gif I have had my Edition 9s reterminated so they can go balanced or single-ended. As much as I like the Edition 9s single-ended, I like them even more balanced (with balanced amp of course), so some risk taking pays off.

ah. so you can reterminate them to balanced without doing a full recabling job. that is helpful to know. some headphones - mostly ATHs - you cannot.

 

[fishski13]

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Originally Posted by musicman59 /img/forum/go_quote.gif I am wating to received my new Edition 9 hopfuly next week and I need your opinion regarding re-cable them. I am thinking in sedning them to Brad at Revelation Audio Labs for him to re-cable them for me. Do you think it is worth doing it? or Is the original cable good enough for the headphones? I have very good experience with some of RAL cables but not on headphoes yet and reading about other people experience with them in thier headphones it sounds they produce very positive results. Any opinions/ Should I invest in re-cable them> and is RAL the best way to go? Thanks in advance for your help.

maybe apples and oranges, but i found the Moon Audio Silver Dragon to be a significant improvement over the stock cable with my PL 2500. member Pataburd has spoken highly of the RAL with the Prolines.

is there a difference in cabling between the Prolines and Ed 9?

PACE

 

[musicman59]

Thanks for you opinions guys. I think I will follow them and wait after they are full burned-in to evaluate is I should re-cable.

I do believe that cables change the sound in a system. In my experience interconnect cables, speaker cables and even power codrs have made huge changes in my sound systems.

I have 2 instances when I re-cable headphones only. The first one was with the HD650 and HD25-1 and the Equinox cable in both headphones the Equinos made a big and positive difference. Obviously more noticable with the HD25 due to the quality of it's stock cable. The other experience was a re-cable job I did myself on the AKG K81DJ going to solid core silver cable from HGA. It did a very big difference too.

I guess it will all depend on the quality of the Edition 9 cable and it's synergy with the rest of the elements inthe headphones.

 

[Sovkiller]

Wait to see if you like them stock, IMO it is not needed at all, but what do I know? IMO we should change if you are not fully satisfied with something...and also keep in mind that mainly all recables have been developed, with a few exceptions, to work on shortcommings of some heapdhones, not the case of the Edition 9 at all...

 

[musicman59]

Tienes mucha razon Sovkiller. Muchas gracias por el consejo y opinion.

 

[tyrion]

I love my ED9s stock but do believe that recabling can make a difference. It did with my HF1, K1000 and HD-650. I also like the ALO recabled 701s better than stock. However, you made the right decision to wait. I won't consider having mine recabled until I hear a pair that has already been recabled to see if I there is a difference for the better.

 

[Sovkiller]

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Originally Posted by tyrion /img/forum/go_quote.gif I love my ED9s stock but do believe that recabling can make a difference. It did with my HF1, K1000 and HD-650. I also like the ALO recabled 701s better than stock. However, you made the right decision to wait. I won't consider having mine recabled until I hear a pair that has already been recabled to see if I there is a difference for the better.

I'm sure it will make a difference, now to what extend the difference could be for good or bad, that is the question...if they use for example a material to tame some part of the freq spectrum by design, and you remove that, you defeat the purpose, now if you like the result, that is another point...IMO the differences should be for the better, not the worst, and not marginal...

As I have stated many times, Rudi has the Edtion 7 recabled, and the Edition 9, stock, according to him the 7 exhibits a little harshnesh sometimes with some recordings on the high end, we are not sure if it due to due to the recable, as he got it that way, or due to the nature of the ehadphone itself, but being very similar, I'm guessing that it is due otthe cable...maybe I'm wrong...for something ot think about, now if for sure the recable improves the sound for good, and I like what I hear, I would do it as well.....

But I will wait to hear another pair first...personally...

 

[braillediver]

From a practical point of view- In electronics there are certain times that an item is more likely to fail. Infant mortality is one of them. I would have to believe recabling them will void any warranty so it seems prudent to listen to them and burn them in for the suggested 400 hours. This will be enough time to identify and flaws or concerns. Then have them recabled if you want.

Just a suggestion.


Mitch

 

[Quint]

I definitely agree with those who say to wait. After burn-in, you may think the things are absolutely amazing, and not want to mess with the sound. Personally, I had mine recabled in balanced with Jena Labs wire, and the differences were pretty noticeable. But that’s to my ears, not yours. Just give ‘em a chance to fully strut their stuff, and then see what you think. Good luck!