80's pop - so cheesy it's good?

Sep 26, 2004 at 7:57 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 24

GuineaMcPig

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For a long time I thought that the vast majority of music created in the 80's was cheesy, overproduced crap. I still think that the 80's was when pop music started getting a lot crappier (mostly due to digital recording, MTV, the walkman, and marketing music to teens in particular), but I've found some CD's lately that have changed my mind about 80's pop a little bit. They're undeniably cheesy, but I still find myself enjoying them quite a bit.

Echo & the Bunnymen - Ocean Rain: This album took a couple listens to grow on me, but I like it quite a bit now. The lead singers voice is melodramatic, but affecting, and I enjoy the layering of the guitar parts.

XTC - Skylarking: This one threw me for a loop. It is so hyper-melodic that I almost laughed the first time I heard it, but I couldn't stop listening to it. Tones of corny synths that are used in more creative ways than most 80's stuff. And really catchy songs.

The Smiths - The Queen is Dead: Morrissey's voice is so dramatic that it's hilarious at times, and the lyrics are quite strange and inventive. Like Echo & the Bunnymen the guitar parts are subtle and well layered but the Smiths song structure is a lot more complex and interesting.

So, what are some other 80's pop releases that keep you coming back despite the razor-thin production, abuse of digital reverb, and drama-queen singers?
 
Sep 26, 2004 at 11:05 PM Post #3 of 24
hi GuineaMcPig, there's a huge difference between 80's pop and the bands you've mentioned. what i would consider 80's pop would be stuff that's often heard on Top 40 radio at the time. the three bands you've mentioned are not manufactured music that was often heard on the radio in the 80's, but are very accomplished musicians and are dead serious about their art. in fact, all three bands were alternative before "alternative" became a buzz word in the early nineties, and are still deeply influential in today's modern rock music.

all three albums are arguably the best works by each band. Ocean Rain was the peak of Echo and the Bunymen's artistic AND commercial success, all subsequent albums struggles with one end or another, but Ocean Rain was the perfect blend of both. Skylarking was XTC's most melodramatic and accessible album. The Queen is Dead is by far one of the most important albums to come out of the eighties, and if it would've came out today, it would still make a huge impact on modern rock music. it also helps that Johnny Marr is a guitar genius.

other albums with the same vein i would recommend:
The Cure - Disintegration
New Order - Lowlife
Joy Division - Closer
Pet Shop Boys - Actually
Siouxsie and the Banshees - Tinderbox
Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark - Architecture and Morality
The Human League - Dare!
Bauhaus - Mask
Talking Heads - Remain in Light
The Jesus and Mary Chain - Darklands

i'm sure i could come up with more...
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Sep 26, 2004 at 11:15 PM Post #4 of 24
I must have missed a lot in the 80s. I never heard of any of those bands, except for Human League.
I've been wanting to pick up the Go Gos Beauty and the Beat. I loved that album when I had it on cassette.
How about Supertramp - Breakfast in America? that was a great album that I still love. Then there is Heart their self titled album is another favorite.

Most of my 80s songs are on greatest hits CDs or some various artists compilations.
 
Sep 26, 2004 at 11:55 PM Post #5 of 24
Hey Bong, when I say "pop," I don't mean music that was actually popular in the 80's. I mean hook-laden, melodic music that tries to appeal to a broad audience. For example, I would consider the Flaming Lips' Soft Bulletin to be pop, even though pretty much only the indie music community paid any attention to it when it was released. Maybe "pop" should stand for "populist" instead of "popular"
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I agree, most 80's mainstream music is garbage. I think the 80's was the decade when the music started to tap the profit potential of teens and manufactured music began. There were still bad bands in the 70's, but it was the band's own fault. In the 80's, record labels started manufacturing bands assembly-line style from the "talent scouts" looking for good looking people with OK voices to sing the songs written for them, all the way up to piping them into the teenage consciousness through radio, movie soundtracks, and MTV. I don't think any serious music listener is interested in most of that garbage, unless it has some sentimental value for them.

That said, the bands I mentioned all do have a strong pop tradition that dates back to the 60's pop of the British invasion. You can hear the Beatles influence especially with the XTC and Echo & the Bunnymen.

While your list has some good ones, Bong, some of them are probably not pop (Joy Division and Talking Heads certainly aren't). JAMC is great though (on the rock side of pop). But it sounds like you listen to a lot of 80's music, so can you recommend me some stuff in the same vein as the 3 I mentioned?

So, to ammend my first post, what are some artistic "pop" albums in the 80's that got ignored by the mainstream?
 
Sep 26, 2004 at 11:59 PM Post #6 of 24
Also, I want to stress that it must be somewhat cheesy, as the albums I mentioned undeniably are. When I say cheesy, I don't mean unoriginal or cliched, but rather overproduced/overdone elements in the songs. Corny synths, over-the-top orchestration (like the church bells in "Seven Seas" off of Ocean Rain), and the more faux-psychedelic, the better. Thanks!
 
Sep 27, 2004 at 12:18 AM Post #7 of 24
I grew up in the eighties man, so nothing sounds wrong to me from that period, lol....
 
Sep 27, 2004 at 6:16 AM Post #10 of 24
How dare someone call The Smiths cheesy? True, you picked the one album of theirs that is quite commercial (big hair heavy metal riffs, anyone?) but you should really give them a listen - especially the tracks where Johnny Marr shines.

But I admit I'm an 80's throwback. If I had the gall to bring Michael Jackson to the Qualia meet (yes, it was the first song played that day there, what an outrage!) you know I have to love the music
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Sep 27, 2004 at 9:08 AM Post #11 of 24
Don't even bother to MENTION the 80's without praise for Depeche Mode. Definition changing pop beats are what draw you in, with lyrics questioning and deriding religion and politics only fueling the passion. Their live performances, for me, are significantly more enjoyable than studio work- something quite rare.

The guys are still recording and touring, with their new stuff being good, but not legendary like the old stuff.

If you enjoy 80's music you absolutely must get a hold of as much DM as you can. A few choice albums:
Some Great Reward
Violator
Songs of Faith and Devotion
 
Sep 28, 2004 at 2:45 AM Post #12 of 24
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Originally Posted by GuineaMcPig
While your list has some good ones, Bong, some of them are probably not pop (Joy Division and Talking Heads certainly aren't). JAMC is great though (on the rock side of pop). But it sounds like you listen to a lot of 80's music, so can you recommend me some stuff in the same vein as the 3 I mentioned?

So, to ammend my first post, what are some artistic "pop" albums in the 80's that got ignored by the mainstream?



ahh... if we're talking about reputable bands and/or albums with a pop bent; okay, i'll play along.
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most if not all of these albums were not ignored by the mainstream. rather, these albums were made by non-mainstream artists who manages to dent the pop charts.

The Cure - The Head on the Door
easily one of the most varied albums in their catalog, but that doesn't stop it from also being the most accessible. styles range from guitar pop with melodic keyboards ("Inbetween Days," "Push"), synth-pop ("Close to Me"), Oriental fusion ("Kyoto Song"), catchy dance ("The Baby Screams"), Waltzes ("Six Different Ways"), Spanish Flamenco ("The Blood"), moody introspection ("A Night Like This," "Sinking"), etc... despite the dazzling array of styles, most if not all of the songs are Top 40 Radio worthy. i guarantee you'll love this album.

New Order - Low-Life
this is probably the best album that mixes both worlds of rock and synth-pop by any band. it's like the rock album for synth-poppers and the sythy album rockers won't be afraid to admit liking. it's full of guitar riffing in various songs, the infectious rhythm drive of sequencers, prominent bass guitar playing, with eccentric and unpredictable lyrics, a lot of it with wit or tongue-in-cheek humour. perfect from start to end.

The Human League - Dare!
this is the quintessential eighties album to have, and it's a must own. it captures the early eighties perfectly, blending excellent songwriting with lots of hooks and melodies, state of the art (at the time) synths, drum machines, and production, image consciousness with a focus on graphic arts and fashion. it is a perfect thesis of pop culture at the time. it also helps that most of the songs are brilliant, all four singles from the album made the UK Top 20, and of course includes the classic "Don't You Want Me," featuring one of the best pop melodies of all time.

Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark - Junk Culture
like Echo and the Bunnymen's Ocean Rain, Junk Culture is when OMD perfectly blends arty experimentation and accessible pop. it includes melodic synths, a bright and energetic horn section, very eighties vocal effects and "scratch production." it's perhaps OMD last truly great album.

Yaz(oo) - Upstairs at Eric's
at a time when many would refer synth-pop as cold and kinetic (and they did have a point), Depeche Mode founder Vince Clarke teamed up with a local blues singer Alison Moyet. the result was a odd but dazzling album, where Moyet's emotional and engaging vocals mixes with the calculated icyness of Clarke's synth work. the songs range from dance floor staples (both classic "Don't Go" and "Situation," "Goodbye Seventies"), naive melodic love songs ("Only You," "Bad Connection," "Midnight"), hauntingly beautiful ("Winter Kills") and zany experimentation ("I Before E Except After C," "In My Room").

Siouxsie and the Banshees - Tinderbox
one of the Banshees most consistant and accessible albums. Siouxsie had never sung so well prior to this album, she has really ditched her Ice Princess punk vocals and instead replaced it with a delivery that ranges from subtle ("Cannons," "The Sweetest Chill"), powerful (the classic "Cities in Dust") and dramatic ("This Unrest"). the drums are sharp and aggressive, and the guitars are beautifully textured.

Pet Shop Boys - Actually
where The Human League's Dare! was the thesis of the early eighties, Actually brilliantly describes the cynical, isolation, and uncertainties of the mid to late eighties. songs like "Shopping," "Rent," and "Hit Music" are perfectly detached and yuppie-like, while an emotionally powerful song like "It Couldn't Happen Here" tells the impending uncertainties of the widespread of AIDS. most notable song on the album is of course the classic "It's a Sin," where the song features one of the most over-the-top songwriting and production.

Soft Cell - Non-Stop Erotic Cabaret
like Yaz's Upstairs at Eric's, Non-Stop Erotic Cabaret proves that synth-based music need not be emotionless and detached. instead, Soft Cell has one thing in mind, SEX! the whole album is slick, with Marc Almond's melodramatic vocal delivery (at times he sounds even more ridiculous than Morrissey); he sounds like he actually belongs in a Cabaret act. from the opening repetitive shouts of "Frustration," to the sparse cover of "Tainted Love," where Almond manages to sound like a strip tease, to the closer "Say Hello Wave Goodbye" one can tell this is not your average synth-pop album. nothing can be compared to the utterly sleazy classic "Sex Dwarf."

Duran Duran - Rio
from a band that relied heavily on image, this was their best. Where the Dare! era Human League used image on a basis of art, Duran Duran made it blatantly obvious to a selling point. the album has slick eighties production, with lots of dancy rhythm, groovy guitars, and cheesy synths. amongst the obvious hits, the album also had some engaging songs, most notably the haunting closer "The Chauffer."

The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses
as much to do with influencing the nineties as well as taking several cues from a few years before it, The Stone Roses' debut album was released in 1989 as one of the most important guitar albums since The Smiths' The Queen is Dead. The Stone Roses mixed rock elements with bits of rave, dance, and funk. it featured guitar pyrotechnics from John Squire, who is often written as one of the best guitarists at the time since Johnny Marr, groovy basslines by Mani, and the rhythmic drumming from Reni, as well as a subtle, sneering arrogance from vocalist Ian Brown. utterly amazing album!

i love writing up stuff like this (i know, sometimes i go overboard)... i live for this music!
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Sep 28, 2004 at 4:30 AM Post #13 of 24
Hmm, pseudo-psychedelic, cheesy synths, over-the-top orchestration, artistic pop?

Sounds like Tears For Fears

Sowing The Seeds Of Love, Head Over Heels, Listen. Those songs fit the descriptions above. Great pop, but not overlooked by the mainstream though. It almost fits your request GuineaMcPig. In addition to OMD, how about Simple Minds, ABC, Roxy Music?

edit: see bong's posts. He and I think alike here.
 
Sep 28, 2004 at 4:34 AM Post #14 of 24
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Originally Posted by zoboomofo
Hmm, pseudo-psychedelic, cheesy synths, over-the-top orchestration, artistic pop?

Sounds like Tears For Fears

Sowing The Seeds Of Love, Head Over Heels, Listen. Those songs fit the descriptions above. Great pop, but not overlooked by the mainstream though. It almost fits your request GuineaMcPig. In addition to OMD, how about Simple Minds, ABC, Roxy Music?



Simple Minds. Oh yes, right up that alley. Also, just buy the Breakfast Club and Pretty in Pink soundtracks. New Order, INXS, Simple Minds, the list goes on. You'll probably love them both.
 

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