7/11/09 Los Angeles Mini Mega Meet Impressions Thread
Jul 12, 2009 at 6:10 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 119

Uncle Erik

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I'm wrapping up dinner here with n3rdling, jzkei, Donald North, santacore, moonboy403, and IpodPJ, just after a fun and successful meet!

We just discussed starting an impressions thread, so here we go. I'll add my impressions when I get home and unpack. Any meet participants already home, please post in this thread.
 
Jul 12, 2009 at 6:29 AM Post #2 of 119
First, thanks to Phil/IpodPJ for doing all the work to book the hotel and get everything organized
Disclaimer: I focused on gear rather than people, but I’m sure others will post more pics. For some reason these are showing up darker here than in my image processing software (lightroom).
First pics, then impressions:

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For some reason my homebrewed audiotest disc was not working so I used a number of discs burned from FLAC that I also brought. I primarily used Radiohead’s OK Computer, Miles Davis’ Kind of Blue, and the Ultrasone test CD (mostly tracks 1, 5, and 9). I also had Pink Floyd’s Dark Side of the Moon and the Chicago Symphony Orchestra’s rendition of Tchaikovsky’s 1812 Overture

In no particular order:

The main event: AMB Labs Beta 22 vs. Audio-GD Phoenix
I don’t think there was any clear winner here. We hooked my Beta 22 and Phil/iPodPJ’s Phoenix into the same source, interconnects, and power cables. I first listened to these two separated by maybe 15-30 minutes and couldn’t detect any significant differences. I then listened again later in the day with Phil swapping the cables quickly. I think the differences were still small. With the risk of being tainted by the dreaded and overblown placebo and my hearing of others’ opinions, I though the Beta was a bit more dynamic and punchy and also had more impactful and powerful bass. I’m not positive whether this was due to the Beta being better or whether the Phoenix was actually neutral and the Beta was colored.

HD800: I initially wasn’t blown away by these at CanJam probably because they’re so neutral. My opinion was very different today, though, and I’m not sure whether it was due to burn in, amping, selection of tracks, source, or what. The first thing I noticed was the soundstage, which was enormous, probably larger than any other phones’. These phones are tremendously comfortable and well-built although I do find the use of plastic slightly annoying in a $1400 can. I think the best term to describe these is neutral, because these are honestly the most neutral cans I’ve ever heard; I think they’d be excellent for studio monitoring. I disagree with those who think the bass is anemic. It’s neutral, not exaggerated and not anemic. I didn’t have any electronic music with me due to my test disc not working, so it may not be ideal with subgenres of electronic music heavy in bass (ie electro, house, dnb, dubstep…), but for the material I did have with me the bass was deep and impactful and sufficient in quantity. I will have to listen with a wider variety of music before making a final judgment. The bass is certainly not exaggerated, so I wouldn’t really call these “fun,” but they’re technically very good. The mids are excellent and similarly neutral, I don’t think anyone has criticized them so I won’t go into more depth. Treble was not even remotely veiled. I have read the claims that the treble is hot, and that may be true, although I did not find there to be too much treble, and I would not want there to be any less. I liked these enough that I may buy a pair after I see AKG’s new flagship and wait for FOTM to die down (although I think these are far better than just “FOTM”).

Denon D7000 and JVC DX1000:

I compared these two phones since they’re both closed, bass-heavy woodies.
The DX1000 is more solid and well-built. It has an interesting coloration in the midrange that I don’t necessarily consider a negative. The bass is pronounced and has both high quantity and quality. They have a very interesting soundstage which extends sideways and is probably as good or better than any other closed phone I’ve heard.
The D7000 is probably a more neutral phone. It also has pronounced bass, but its frequency response is probably more tilted toward treble in addition to bass rather than midrange. Like the DX1000 it is a very “fun” phone although obviously not as detailed as the HD800, K701, or even my AD2000’s. I will probably either buy a pair of D7000’s or buy some D2000’s and have them woodied.

Ed8: I didn’t listen to these for too long. I didn’t like the way they fit, and I wasn’t impressed by them, although I should have given them a longer audition.

W5000: Very different headphones which I can’t say I love, although I can see why someone would. I first listened to them with the classical tracks from the Ultrasone disc and thought they were excellent. However I then put them on after listening to Radiohead with my AD2000’s and thought the W5000’s sounded a bit hollow/unnatural/cold in comparison. Only 5-10% of the music I listen to is classical, so I would not buy these.

Grado RS-1: While I will admit these did sound great with distorted guitars, I think these are strongly colored, overly bright and forward, and not to my liking. I am pretty sure I don’t like the Grado house sound as a whole.

O2 Mk1: Like the Ed8 I wish I listened to these a bit longer. I wasn’t excited about them but can’t say anything final until I listen to them more extensively.
 
Jul 12, 2009 at 6:45 AM Post #3 of 119
Posted short one on the other thread, mainly a big thanks to Phil IpodPJ for all the time and effort to basically singlehandedly put on this rapidly expanding meet. It was very well done and gave a nice opportunity for everyone to listen to what they wanted to hear in a relaxed environment. Very tired maybe do some impressions tomorrow, I went for the B22 in my vote for the shoot out of the day but i think it came up 50/50 or so in the end.
I also liked Johns Dac that i didn't get around to hearing until the end, that one really blew me away because i wasn't expecting it to be so good, I already knew PJs was good though so no surprise there. Sleepy land, nice meeting everyone, broken camera so no pict sorry.
 
Jul 12, 2009 at 8:21 AM Post #4 of 119
Hope everyone had a fab time, pics look great.

I’m really interested in the AMB Labs Beta 22 vs Audio-GD Phoenix impressions.

Can someone state how the Beta is configured, pacifically the psu, two enclosures or one, materials etc, as there is big variable between different Betas.
 
Jul 12, 2009 at 9:55 AM Post #5 of 119
The meeting was a blast and most things went smoothly. So a round of applause is owed to IPodPJ for organizing this meet.

Impression:

Let's get right to it: Balanced B22 and Phoenix. Here was how the testing went, we used the same dac, cables, power cords and did quick switching between the two amps. Using the HD800, it was really a toss up between the two IMO. I did not detect a whole of of difference between the amps but if I REALLY have to pick one, I would pick the B22. It sounded a little bit more aggressive, dynamic, and lively IMO, but it could be due to the lack of exact volume matching on my part. I did what I could to match the volume by ears.

Edition 8: Not very impressed. It was closed in sounding especially considering the price tag it carries. Bass was boomy and overpowering at times. It's basically a headphone with a fun sound signature. I had a problem with the attached cable. It was about 3 feet long which needless to say is less than ideal even for a portable can.

DX1000: Like the UE8, bass is boomy and overpowering at times but mostly very solid with excellent impact. The top end is rolled off but nothing terrible. There is a cuppy coloration which didn't bother me too much. The soundstage is wide while front and back depth is above average for a closed can. However, everything sounded very forward and in your face. Comfort was excellent though not as comfy as the Denon 2k/5k/7k series.

D7000: D7000 is head and shoulder above the entire Denon line though the mids are still a little recessed and on the thin side. Bass is definitely the most controlled out of the whole Denon series, though still a bit boomy though not very often. Impact is excellent. Treble is very extended but doesn't grate your ears like the D2000 does. Clarity is excellent with an airy and wide soundstage.

Amphora: I briefly listened to the Amphora again at the meet after having a good first impression of it at Canjam. On high volume, it wasn't a very good match with the D7000/W5000 as everything sounded really thin and very bright. I think low volume sounded a lot better. I only listened to it very brieftly, so I'm not qualify to comment very much on it.

HD650s: Heck, this was the most disturbing headphone I auditioned at the meet. I ran my HD650(old version) against Tim's HD650(new version was silver acoustic silk) on my Phoenix and I was mesmerized. His HD650 sounded so much better! In comparison, his HD650 was faster, brighter and livelier, more detailed, and had more controlled bass. This is just ridiculous. I didn't even realized that the new HD650 sounded so much better until Tim waved me over and had me compare my HD650 against his and asked me what I thought of them.

DT48: I have the same impression of it running on my Phoenix as I did in Canjam when it was ran on the Zana Deux. The DT48 has a couple of things going for them but they really aren't that special. It's extremely closed in sounding and has a below average soundstage as if I was listening to music inside a tiny box. Treble and bass was clearly rolled off. However, it's got a couple of things going for them that's very good: clarity, speed, detail, and mids. At the end of the day though, I'm not very impressed by the DT48.

SA5000: Amongst its great qualities are speed, low-level detail(though I suspect that a lot of these details came from the fact that the treble is forward), imaging, instrument separation. Now you would think that a headphone with all those qualities would sound pretty dang good, but IMO, they sound terrible though IPodPJ didn't think so. The tonality was really really off(Donald North and n3rdling were with me on it), it's got this very plasticky tone. It's almost a very bright sounding and lacking a lot of body for the mids.

Crap. It's 3am in the morning already! I'll continue to post impressions tomorrow.
 
Jul 12, 2009 at 10:08 AM Post #6 of 119
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Originally Posted by johnwmclean /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Hope everyone had a fab time, pics look great.

I’m really interested in the AMB Labs Beta 22 vs Audio-GD Phoenix impressions.

Can someone state how the Beta is configured, pacifically the psu, two enclosures or one, materials etc, as there is big variable between different Betas.



John,

Send a PM to AtomikPi. It was his balanced B22. But everything was in the same enclosure.
 
Jul 12, 2009 at 10:44 AM Post #7 of 119
definitely a good experience. environment was very friendly, everyone just chilling and trying each other headphones on their own setup. really great and different experience than canjam. really got to try different headphones on my compass which is something that would not have been possible. also many thanks to PJ for organizing this and dave for saving my butt with his transporter
 
Jul 12, 2009 at 10:46 AM Post #8 of 119
I want to give a big thanks to every one who attended. You guys all were great and so helpful, and my girlfriend was a huge help to me, too. It was a pleasure to organize the meet and the appreciation and gratitude from everyone makes it all worthwhile.

Dinner was also a blast and Gary and John took somewhere in the ballpark of 150 photos that they will share most of with everyone.

Thanks again guys. To those of you I already knew and those I met for the first time, you are all great people and you made this a wonderful meet. I certainly know how tiring it is to pack up your valuable gear, unpack it, re-pack it at the end of the day and then unpack it again at home. Without your contributions, meets like this wouldn't be possible. You all deserve a big round of applause.
 
Jul 12, 2009 at 12:14 PM Post #9 of 119
IPodPJ,

Was the Phoenix enclosures stacked on, and covered with a towel for the entire meet?

If so, is it possible that could have affected it's performance?

BTW, amazing job on the meet. I'll be looking forward to more impressions.
 
Jul 12, 2009 at 12:28 PM Post #10 of 119
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IPodPJ,

Was the Phoenix enclosures stacked on, and covered with a towel for the entire meet?

If so, is it possible that could have affected it's performance?

BTW, amazing job on the meet. I'll be looking forward to more impressions.



Ditto for the Beta22, having the Phoenix underneath has the potential for EMI to induce hum and noise.
 
Jul 12, 2009 at 1:16 PM Post #11 of 119
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Ditto for the Beta22, having the Phoenix underneath has the potential for EMI to induce hum and noise.


I was referring to the Phoenix unvented chassis, which acts as it's heatsink. The picture makes it appear like it did not have the proper air circulation. The PSU gets quite hot even when not stacked on at all.
 
Jul 12, 2009 at 4:00 PM Post #12 of 119
Los Angeles Mini Mega Meet 7/11/09 photo collection

Here are a bunch of pic's from the L.A. meet. Forgive the poor quality and sloppy tagging. It definitely wasn't my finest hour as a photographer. Good thing I work in audio.......

Overall the meet was great and enjoyed by all. I have too much going on today to post impressions. Hopefully the pic's will help convey the gear we enjoyed. A big thanks to IPodPJ for all his time and effort. Great job man, we all appreciate it!!!
 
Jul 12, 2009 at 5:14 PM Post #13 of 119
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Originally Posted by lmswjm /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I was referring to the Phoenix unvented chassis, which acts as it's heatsink. The picture makes it appear like it did not have the proper air circulation. The PSU gets quite hot even when not stacked on at all.


When the tests were taking place, the B22 was stacked above the Phoenix, yes. But I moved it to the side after the round of tests, until more people came and wanted to listed.
 
Jul 12, 2009 at 5:26 PM Post #15 of 119
Impressive! Sure looks like another fantastic meeting...
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Thanks for the impressions, and great photo work.
 

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