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24/96 vinyl rips don't sound any better

Discussion in 'Sound Science' started by manbear, Sep 9, 2013.
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  1. bigshot
    Back when I was into that kind of music, I would always go for the colored vinyl limited editions, half speed mastered audiophile pressings, and the Japanese imports. Someday someone will come along and offer me some bucks for these old disks and I will gladly take it.
    80s vinyl in the US was ATROCIOUS. It sounded like scrambled eggs. I would return the same record to the store three or four times to find a copy that wasn't warped. The absolute worst was David Bowie. His whole catalog sounded like crap on RCA. I had to buy all the Mobile Fidelity and imports.
    I mostly collect 50s and 60s vinyl now. BIG difference. It often sounds better than the equivalent CD release because the masters weren't beat to hell and the pressings were lavished with care. You can't really know what an LP can sound like if you just listen to New Wave and Prog Rock.
  2. UltMusicSnob
    My best were Deutsche Gramophon, and they were good, relative to what else I had. Still, they were those really thin vinyl pressings, fragile.
  3. UltMusicSnob
    Hmm. This is the audio version of Intel's budget chip strategy. Design a perfectly good CPU, then cripple it in various ways, call it 'Celeron', and segment the market by price. Economically smart. Didn't make a lot of friends in the build-you-own-box crowd, but I doubt most consumers noticed.
      To be fair, Daft Punk went to [apparently] enormous lengths to get live material, recorded to analog, into their usual loops/vocoders style. It is a rich sound, but the musical style doesn't impress me nearly as much as 'Discovery'.
  4. bigshot

    Back in the vinyl days, us rekkid collectors knew where everything came from... Those thin DGG pressings came from Canada. We would look at the copyright markings on the cover to determine if they were true German pressings, or the flimsy Canadian ones. Those Canadian DGGs were OK, but they weren't as good as the RCA shaded dogs or six eye Columbias.
  5. proton007
    Yeah, similar in many ways. Pretty common as well.
  6. dizzyorange
    It's not different.  I meant that ripping for the purposes of preserving your vinyl is different from buying vinyl for the sole purpose of the higher quality of vinyl sound and then ripping it digitally (which definitely removes the analog magic)
  7. dizzyorange
    I don't necessarily think you are wrong.  I certainly haven't looked at the evidence.  By the way I only made 2 posts on this topic (your post makes it sound like I've been beating a dead horse for ages).  And only one person has replied to me, and they didn't provide any evidence or links.  So I appreciate your more detailed response, but I think you may be confusing me for someone else.
    My only point is that when I download 24bit vinyl FLACs, they should like ****.  But when I play my own vinyl, it sounds great.  I have pretty lousy vinyl equipment so it shouldn't be that.  I've compared the same albums, playing it "live" and playing someone else's vinyl rip.  The vinyl rip sounds like 56kbps mp3, while the real vinyl sounds alive like vinyl should.  It is true that I've never ripped my own vinyl, but again my vinyl gear is so lousy that I didn't think there would be a point.
  8. jaddie
    Perhaps just the slightest exaggeration here?  Ever actually heard a 56kbps mp3?   Unless the vinyl were ripped to a 56Kbps mp3, there's actually no way it could sound like one.  But it does sound like you need to get control of the ripping process.
  9. jaddie
    O......k.....wellll... I guess until someone removes listener bias with a real double-blind test, we are really just flogging the demised equus ferus.
    Oh, wait, I did that once.  The test, not the flogging.   Posted about it here, even.  But <heavy sigh> I don't think anyone cares, so I'm going go do something more productive than hunt down the post.  Like bake cookies.
    I bought a 1 oz bottle of Analog Magic on eBay.  Sprinkled it on everything I own, and it's now all analog.  And magical. 
  10. bigshot

    Not to flog a dead horse, but what makes you think that you are hearing the same mastering on both? Perhaps it isn't the format you're hearing but the mastering!
  11. UltMusicSnob
    I need a bottle of that. If I sprinkle it on my digital synthesizers, they will multiply in value by a factor of at least 20. Of course, they won't stay in tune, and they'll break down about every 30 minutes of operation---but man, that analog sound!![​IMG]
  12. dizzyorange
    Again, I'm not trying to discredit your opinion, just giving my own based on my own experiences.  
    What I don't understand is: if ripping vinyl digitally preserves all the magic of vinyl, then why don't studios burn their final mixes onto vinyl, rip it, and then distribute that on CD?  What is the point of making or buying vinyl at all besides nostalgia?  People on these forums go to greats lengths comparing DACs, some costing a few dollars and some costing thousands.  Unless all these people are crazy (which is possible), then DACs do change the sound.  So how can passing a vinyl signal through an ADC, then back through a DAC not change the sound at all?  
    I don't think there is an analog secret sauce or anything like that.  But based on what you guys are saying, the vinyl medium is just a filter, like a fancy EQ or something.  If that is the case then wouldn't it be possible to just EQ a digital source and have it sound exactly like vinyl?
  13. UltMusicSnob
    Just on this one point: maaayyybee....if we're talking about multi-band EQ (like, 30+ bands), each band sidechained individually with a signal split from the master bus band-passed to that band's range, and probably some more non-linear stuff I can't work out how to do.
    So far as I know, there's no such plug-in--but it would be awfully cool to have.
  14. manbear

    I'm talking beyond my experience here (aka straight out of ass), but I imagine the claim that digitizing vinyl preserves all of the "vinyl magic" only works if the ADC and DAC are completely transparent. Meaning expensive. Even so, all of the equipment used in regular vinyl playback also has a sound. People write reviews comparing how different cartridges, turntables, preamps, speakers, everything that's present during vinyl playback changes the sound, so vinyl with no digitizing is subject to a similar criticism that you just made. Do all of these different sounding analog components preserve the same "vinyl magic"?
  15. UltMusicSnob
    Conceivably, the laser playback for vinyl could answer everything up to the point of the preamp. Interesting to see it done, if anyone has 16 grand laying around they don't know what to do with.
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