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Apr 23, 2013 at 3:24 PM
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writing proofs.

Sounds disgusting.

Proofs in linear algebra sucked....a lot.

Apr 23, 2013 at 3:25 PM
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Yep, Theory of Computation, the three types of induction and well-ordering, finite state automata, languages, runtimes, the list goes on...

I don't know about engineering programs in Asia, but in Canada this sort of stuff doesn't appear until you do your engineering master's or Ph D thesis in graduate school. We CS students learn it early.

Interesting... I've only had to learn number theory and graph theory in my highschool maths course.

Apr 23, 2013 at 3:27 PM
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Interesting... I've only had to learn number theory and graph theory in my highschool maths course.

And none of this is taught in high school, so we literally have no background in discrete maths (hence us failing).

Apr 23, 2013 at 3:27 PM
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Proofs in linear algebra sucked....a lot.

It's when you start to wonder where the numbers went in maths.

Apr 23, 2013 at 3:29 PM
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Yep, Theory of Computation, the three types of induction and well-ordering, finite state automata, languages, runtimes, the list goes on...

I don't know about engineering programs in Asia, but in Canada this sort of stuff doesn't appear until you do your engineering master's or Ph D thesis in graduate school. We CS students learn it early.

Well it is kinda essential for you guys.

Apr 23, 2013 at 3:31 PM
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It's when you start to wonder where the numbers went in maths.

It's when the mathematics crosses over from the "technology" over to the "methodology".

From the concrete and specific formulas to the abstract and general proofs.

Apr 23, 2013 at 3:37 PM
Proofs in linear algebra sucked....a lot.

They did? I quite liked them to be honest. Did you get to infinite vector spaces? Those things are fun to work with.

It's when you start to wonder where the numbers went in maths.

That's why I don't like calculus. It has numbers in it. Abstract math doesn't (other than perhaps iterators)

Apr 23, 2013 at 3:41 PM
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Proofs in linear algebra sucked....a lot.

They did? I quite liked them to be honest. Did you get to infinite vector spaces? Those things are fun to work with.

I quite don't remember, but it sounds vaguely familiar.

Apr 23, 2013 at 3:45 PM
I feel like a black sheep in here... :frown:

Why does noone here like math as much as I do?

Apr 23, 2013 at 3:51 PM
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I feel like a black sheep in here...

Why does noone here like math as much as I do?

Because at the end of the day, most of the math learned in college isn't used in post-college careers. My dad and his coworkers chuckled at me when they saw the math classes I was taking since they hardly use that stuff in the real world. >.>

Apr 23, 2013 at 3:54 PM
Because at the end of the day, most of the math learned in college isn't used in post-college careers. My dad and his coworkers chuckled at me when they saw the math classes I was taking since they hardly use that stuff in the real world. >.>

Math builds intuition in problem solving and analysis, even if the actual subject matter may be of no use. Furthermore even if you don't apply abstract math, good mathematical knowledge will help you understand proofs related to things you will be applying. It forms the difference between blindly applying a formula, and understanding why such a formula is true, even if you're not using the proof of the formula in daily life.

Apr 23, 2013 at 4:00 PM
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Because at the end of the day, most of the math learned in college isn't used in post-college careers. My dad and his coworkers chuckled at me when they saw the math classes I was taking since they hardly use that stuff in the real world. >.>

Math builds intuition in problem solving and analysis, even if the actual subject matter may be of no use. Furthermore even if you don't apply abstract math, good mathematical knowledge will help you understand proofs related to things you will be applying. It forms the difference between blindly applying a formula, and understanding why such a formula is true, even if you're not using the proof of the formula in daily life.

Yes yes that is definitely true. However, many people don't understand this and thus just "brush away" math, hence being less enthusiastic about it; that and a lot of people don't want to spend the time to learn it since it's a pretty dry subject with abstract concepts. I know too few engineers and far too many international studies and/or business people. :/

Apr 23, 2013 at 4:02 PM
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I feel like a black sheep in here...

Why does noone here like math as much as I do?

I thought Borisu and other CS students were fine with it?

Apr 23, 2013 at 4:10 PM
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I feel like a black sheep in here...

Why does noone here like math as much as I do?

I like math!