Topping E70 & L70 DAC/amp

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Jaytiss

500+ Head-Fier
Rich in many ways
Pros: It has a remote.
It sounds great.
It has great features.
Cons: It is a bit costly.
“Rich” (This review is just for the e70, not L70 stack combo)

Everyone wants to be rich, but nobody wants to pay big money for things. I remember a story about a famous billionaire Ross Perot who would drive his 30-year-old truck to work and lived in his original 3-bedroom home worth 40,000 in 1990. Being rich and cable of buying something fancy doesn’t mean you have to. It’s about being smart with what you need. It’s about not being extravagant with your purchases, and being able to justify them to others and to yourself.

Today I’m reviewing a product that is rich in sounds, and rich in that it is smart as it is an extreme value product for its price. While value is subjective we are going to look at this product and see it’s value for what it is and what it can do.

Topping is a divisive product as their Quality control has been questionable. Yet any new company takes time to develop as a baby learning to walk, we develop new practices.To mention them is to start an argument. People argue for certain products that are often times much more expensive, then they complain why the hifi hobby is dying. Let’s not argue about QC, but acept all new products as a possible winner for not only it’s price, but how it sounds in your home system and if it fits your needs.

Audio is a challenge as there is the sunk cost fallacy associated with it. We all want to find value in our expensive purchased products. It's difficult to acept our product that we are still making payments on is not a great or perfect or replaced by another product. That’s ok, it’s innovation.

I work with youth, and I understand their wants and needs a little better than many. In my work experience and as a Dad of two young boys I see how young minds develop and think a little more. I’m not saying I get it, but I’m in tune with the common man or at least attempt to be as an audio enthusiast. You’re hard pressured to ask a 20-year-old kid to buy a 3000-dollar dac that has better musicality as only you and your elite group of friends have this golden ear that can tell where and how this product justifies this extreme cost. They need to understand it and see value in it, and what they hear. This is something we will get to later.

This product is widely available at most stores. The fact that so many carry this product is a testament to their ability to work with retailers and should be commended. Headphones.com, Bloom Audio, Hifigo, Linsoul, Shenzhenaudio, Apos, Amazon, Alliexpress, Walmart and probably a few more stores.

Songs:

This is my larger list of songs that I use to listen to music. Here


Overall Sound impressions:
For all of my music it sounds great, and if I had to characterize the sound of the topping e70 I would call it non-linear, clean, and fun. We will get into the feature set but I find it sounding lush, rich, and enjoyable.

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Product Features

Colors:
This product comes in Black and Silver. I chose silver for my e70, but both are beautiful.

Bluetooth: This product boosts 24bit LDAC Bluetooth with LDAC, aptX HD, and aptX adaptive. This is a nice feature when I connect this to my speakers. It has very strong range, allowing me to pair across my home, and the music sounds great on it. The music is crisp and detailed. While I don’t always use the Bluetooth functions of it, it allows great flexibility if I want to move this dac to my garage or bedroom to stream full-time. Bluetooth decoding seems fantastic and I feel this is a fantastic feature of the e70 that doesn’t disappoint.


On/Off Auto function:
As a primary headphone user, this function is great. I can attach this to my desktop and basically forget it as I turn off my computer. The e70 will recognize an input signal and sets itself to the input signal, and will auto shut off after 60 seconds.

12V Trigger interface:
This is a very interesting feature to me, but as I’m using an SMSL headphone amp with this dac, I am not using this feature. I do find value in it, and look forward to buying a headphone amp someday that has this feature. Yet I am currently very happy with my dac amp setup.

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Pre-amplifier mode
This dac has a pre-amp mode or dac mode. It takes some time to figure out how to set it, but it’s similar to other dacs made by topping. I was able to switch it from dac mode to pre-amp mode with a bit of reading and patience, but it isn’t exactly super easy and am empathetic to those who are struggling with it. I love using it in preamp mode, because I can control volume with the remote. I can see how others might want it to only function as a dac, but I find great value in this feature as it gives me a remote for my little stack.

Balanced outputs: This dac has Balanced outputs. Balanced outputs typically have a cleaner signal and it is a feature of slightly better audio quality than what many RCA outputs give. While this is not always the case, in this case the balanced outputs are truly top class and measure and sound very good to me.
Inputs: The topping e70 has a wide set of available inputs in USB-B / Coax / Optical / RCA / XLR. This is great for flexibility.

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Measurements:
Measurements are a spicy topic, but the topping e70 measures very well. It measures what many consider to beyond the transparent level. I recommend using your personal favorite measurement data and comparing to the same data that they have done for consistency. Either direct from the factory or from a 3rd party to compare data. Comparing From person A to person B isn’t really a good way to go. It has a SNR of 126 from the factory weighted. It has impressive numbers, and is one of the stronger values in sinad score that you can find. While not the only number you need to look at, measurements are important, and can give you good data on the transparency of the dac that you need. They are exceedingly important if you want a clean sound.

Remote:
I didn’t think I’d need or want a remote. But I was wrong, it is an extremely nice feature. Not exactly perfect, but a bonus that welcome. It really helps if you attach powered speakers to this to help control the volume, and inputs.

MQA: This DAC does not decode MQA. If you do require MQA I would recommend you to look elsewhere.

Value: I find this a strong value for what it can do. I love the feature set, the sound, and price of this device. While not perfect, it functions for what I need very well.

Unpackaging: The unboxing experience is top notch. I got my product used, but it was still a very tactile good box that had a premium feeling design. Design and the unboxing experience is important to me, and this device feels great. With small boxes for the accessories and cables. It’s a good experience that will leave you happy with the purchase.
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Gifting/who is it for: I think this is a good device to gift to a friend, but possibly too expensive for a casual gift. I’d recommend a few other dacs if you want to give to someone who needs a simple gift.

Pairing: I used SMSL SH-8s AMP. I find it a strong pairing, but I might end up changing my headphone amp out one day. But for now, I find it a good linear pairing and all my headphones and iems sound great on it.

Summary-
Dacs are hard to judge and frustrating as it seems a new one comes out every month. I think no human alive can keep up with the dac race and I see some of the professional reviewers become frustrated with these dacs. New features are released, product availability, are a challenge to accept. The game is always changing with an even new products being released still A70/D70 was just announced for preorder, and the DX5 Lite also came out recently as well. Upgrading isn’t always necessary, but it can be very enjoyable. I fully enjoy my time with the topping e70 and I would recommend it if it fits your needs, but you might be better off buying a topping dx5 lite or one of many units that offer strong performance for cheaper, it’s about finding the features that you want and need. The look and feeling that you want and need, along with a nice sounding product. This for me is the topping e70.

The meme of the internet is the apple dongle, but the fact is for many of us we want better. I use an apple dongle at work, and I can totally recommend it for a beginner. But if you want better, and more convenience and a connection to your speakers, bluetooth, XLR outputs, and a fancy pre-amp remote, you can’t go wrong with this dac at this price. It sounds great and has strong features. I encourage all to enjoy the hobby how they want to, but if you want a clean fun linear sound and you are in the market for a dac, I highly recommend this dac as I see great value pleasure in it.

Thanks for reading. Any feedback is welcome.
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corgifall

1000+ Head-Fier
Topping's Mid-Range FOTM
Pros: Strong L70 performance. Price
Cons: Softer E70 sound presentation.
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I’ve been a fan of Topping’s recent releases such as their portable G5 and the now older E50/L50. I’ve been busy reviewing a lot of IEMs and portables as of late so dipping my toes into the desktop source gear is a nice change of pace. The E70 is a new Topping DAC using the ESS ES9028Pro and comes in at $349. The L70 headphone amp comes in at $349 as well. Both are designed to be used together in a “stack” setup but they can be used separately with other source gear. I’ll be reviewing both together for most of this review.


Quick shoutout to @shenzhenaudio for sending me up a review unit to check out. While I always appreciate stuff being sent in to test and review, It never affects the rating of my review.


The E70 and L70 can be picked up together or separately at @shenzhenaudio website below.

E70:
https://shenzhenaudio.com/products/topping-e70-es9028pro-dac-xu316-rca-xlr-output-decoder-with-remote-control-support-dsd512-pcm768khz-decoding


L70:
https://shenzhenaudio.com/products/topping-l70-full-balanced-nfca-headphone-amp-4pin-xlr-4-4-balanced-6-35mm-se-output-preamp-relay-volume-control


Combo set:
https://shenzhenaudio.com/products/topping-e70-l70-xlr-cable-combo?_pos=1&_sid=6c3098ff8&_ss=r



Gear used​

SMSL SU-9/SP400 stack, Topping G5, Campfire Solaris, Moondrop Variations, Sennheiser 560S and ZMF Atrium.

Looks and Feel​

Both my units came in black and both have a very good matte finish applied. While the displays are fingerprint magnets, I do like the glossy display. The numbers are a bright white and I really like Topping’s UI looks when it comes to the numbers displayed. The units have a decent weight to them which helps when unplugging headphones from the jacks. The red ring on the volume knobs are a very nice accent touch as well. Overall, a pretty and sleek looking stack to my eyes.
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Power switch and volume knob​

The power button is actually a touch sensitive button. I would prefer a button I can physically press but the provided remote works as a backup should the touch sensitivity die in the future. There is a power switch in the back next to the power cable should you wish to power it down completely for longer periods of time. I do like the added switch and prefer that over having to unplug the cable. The volume knobs both are smooth and easy to rotate. They both spin infinitely but the L70 has volume relays which is an extremely attractive feature for me personally.


Inputs and outputs​

For the E70, we get the standard XLR and RCA outputs as well as COAX, Optical, USB-B and BT inputs. There’s the 12V trigger ports to link the remotes but I didn’t test that at all. It is lacking the TRS output, so those with different Topping Amps might run into issues if they wish to run balanced to their TRS amps.

The L70 has more going on and I find it more attractive given the price. The L70 has a combined XLR/TRS which I think is a wonder compatibility option for those who might not have the XLR output option on their DAC. I could personally care less about TRS quarter inch but I like that it isn’t abandoned here since it allows those with Topping DACs that only use TRS for balanced out to have an headphone amp upgrade path. The L70 also has a standard RCA input. We get XLR and RCA outputs for passthrough use. Only the L70 input XLR is a combo connector so no TRS output for the L70. The L70 has a ground loop noise fix built in via a switch should you pick up any noise in the source chain. I never have noise issues so I left it set to the stock GND setting. Even when running The DAC out to both RCA and XLR, and having the XLR and RCA inputs active with an XLR output on the L70, I never heard any noise so I think this ends up being a feature for the those who already have noise issues in their normal systems due to the power problems in the home. The front of the L70 also has a XLR, 4.4mm Pentaconn and quarter inch jack for headphone use.
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Accessories and unboxing​

We get a newer designed box that comes with the bare essentials. We get a remote and power cable plus manuals with each unit. I think this is mostly fine but I would have preferred a small cheap 3.5mm cable to make use of the 12V trigger connection. Not the end of the world but I think most people will be buying this in a stack setup so maybe it will be offered in a bundle.


Sound(overall)​

These impressions will mostly be from the two stacked together. I did however run the amp separately hence the separate sound impressions for each device. The L70 impressions will be from using both the SMSL SU-9 and Topping E70 to get the perceived sound signature. E70 impressions will be from the paired L70.


E70​

The E70 is a neutral to warm sounding DAC from my testing. It has a softer presentation which I’m not overly wild about. The lows are accurate and so are the mids with a more neutral sound. I would call this accurate and I have no issues with the lows and mids. Vocals and treble do both come in a little softer than I’m used to. I find the vocals sound good but it just feels like a little something is missing. Same thing with the treble. It sounds accurate yet it feels like it’s missing just a little extra detail and bite. Almost sounds slightly muted. That being said, I think if someone just bought this without having another mid-range DAC to A/B test, The differences wouldn’t be as noticeable. Staging is also average and imaging is accurate or at least comparable to the stack I use to review everything. This is still a very good DAC and given the amp is so dang good, I would actually recommend this DAC with the amp since they look good stacked together. Speaking of the amp…


L70​

I’ve mentioned already that I love the layout of the L70 when it comes to connections. How does it sound though? I personally prefer warmer sounding amps or at least clean sounding amps that don’t lose low end bass dynamics. The L70 is a very linear amp that doesn’t add any real sound signature differences but it also doesn’t have any downsides I could hear. The bass is dynamic and the impact/slam produced is still strong and doesn’t feel lacking. In the past, this was an issue with lower cost amps due to power supply constraints and the L70 seems to not have this issue which is wonderful. Instruments in both the mids and highs sound clean yet they don’t add any unwanted shimmer or sibilance. The vocals are accurate but don’t feel thin or lacking at all. The treble sounds sharp and fast on most headphones with a sense of higher resolution and details. I think the Staging does sound about average(depth and width) with the headphones I used for this test. I would definitely say the star of the stack/show is indeed the L70.


Filters and fun features​

The E70 does have filter options but I couldn’t hear any differences like normal so I left it on the stock filter. The stack is missing any “fun” features such as bass boosts or onboard EQ options. I think this is honestly fine and someone can easily EQ via software if they really need to.

Bluetooth/Wired connectivity​

I did most of my reviewing with the wired connection but I do test range on bluetooth. LDAC has a decent range when used with the newer Shanling M6 Ultra and extended range using AAC from my iPhone 14 Pro. Keep in mind that only the E70 can take a bluetooth signal. I do see some amps in stacks like this that will also take a bluetooth input but that is not the case with this stack. I think the sound from wireless was fine and as time goes on, I’m not as picky when it comes to wireless vs wired. I still opt for wired when possible but I can see this being nice if you want a friend or someone to send their music over to the E70 without much effort to play their own music.

Personal grips with the L70 and E70?​


I only have nitpick issues with the Topping stack. Though my nitpicks won’t be deal breakers for me, they might be for others.


First thing that bothers me are the two separate remotes. SMSL has one remote they can use between products and they usually have a full GUI built into their mid-range source gear. The Topping stack lacks an in depth UI so it requires the remotes to get some features turned on and off. Both remotes are different as well so it can be a pain if you have to remember which remote goes to which amp/DAC. The remotes aren’t labeled well part number wise either.


The UI is also pretty messy still and while you can do most things when the device is on, some things need to be accessed via a different menu which is only accessed by holding the volume knob button in while turning on the unit from the back. This and having to keep the manual near to translate what the short codes mean in the menus doesn’t make for an enjoyable experience should you need to change things. For most people it's going to be a “change once and never mess with things again” thing but it still feels like quite the chore.


While I love the relays they’re using for the volume control on the L70, it’s super loud when adjusting volume. This is loud enough that if I’m testing multiple headphones at night, a pillow or something is thrown at me since the relay changes wake up the Ms. I think most people will only be adjusting volume between tracks in one to three volume increments so this probably won’t be as big of a deal for others.


Single ended and balanced power output/Sensitivity​

The L70 is a monster when it comes to output power. Output from the balanced XLR or 4.4 Pentaconn will produce a peak 7.5W into 32 ohms! Using the single ended quarter inch will produce 2.3W into the same 32 ohm load. This is impressive and my main amp I use for reviews that cost $630 can squeeze out 6W into the same 32 ohm load. The power output numbers don’t seem to matter at all when it comes to balanced vs unbalanced inputs. This makes me believe this isn’t a truly balanced design and in 2022, that is completely fine by me. I haven’t heard an amp in recent times that sounds better from balanced vs single ended like some of the older devices I have on hand. The L70 also has zero hiss(floor noise) from both the XLR and 4.4mm Pentaconn jack. My OG Campfire Solaris picked up nothing on the L70 which is quite the feat.

IEM pairing opinions​


Moondrop Variations​

The Variations took pretty well to this pairing. The bass was strong with good impact and kept its fuller low end sound intact. Mids sounded warm but clean and the Vocals sounded pretty good with the stack. The treble can be a little hot on the Variations for me but usually not enough to cause discomfort and the softer or relaxed sounding E70 from the stack pulled the Variation’s treble down just a little. Staging was accurate and I didn’t notice any changes on the Variations vs my personal baseline setup.
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Campfire Solaris​

The OG Solaris is a slight V shape with an intense upper mids for me personally but I do rather enjoy the Solaris regardless. The bass is strong but still has average impact. The instruments in the mids do sound clear and the vocals have good detail. The upper mids and lower treble don’t sound nearly as violent to my ears but it’s not enough of a difference that I would say the E70 softness from the stack made a big enough difference to matter. Staging was still fairly deep and wide sounding which was nice to hear. The big thing here is that the Solaris is a silly sensitive IEM when run balanced and I had zero hiss from the L70 amp. This impressed me quite a bit as the Solaris brings out a small hiss that is noticeable in my main desktop setup that I don’t normally hear with other sensitive IEMs. I was also listening at around -51 volume ro 50/0 volume which was nice since I had a lot of room to go down in volume.
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Over ear pairings​


ZMF Atrium/Sennheiser 560s​

Both the Shenn 560S and Atrium tend to sound best from desktop gear IMO and the L70 provides great power overall to both. Both are power hungry headphones and I could run both on low gain just fine via balanced. Running single ended would require high grain on at least the Atrium. The lows were strong and didn’t lack bass impact like I’ve heard in the past. The mids and vocals sound natural on both headphones with this stack and the treble does have a slight softness and as a result, lacks a little resolution on both headphones when the E70 is involved. Staging is fairly average when using both but the point I’m trying to make is that the stack can produce good results on some more power hungry headphones. The L70 is very capable however and I really like these headphones on the l70 paired with a different DAC(SU-9).
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DAC/Amp comparison​

SMSL SU-9/SP400​

The SMSL stack combo I use does cost more than the Topping E/L-70 stack but I do think it has some stuff that makes it competitive in a sense. The E70 DAC does sound softer and leans to a neutral sound signature which is fine but the ES9038Pro in the SU-9 does outperform the ES9028Pro at least in these specific devices. The SU-9 has better resolution and detail retrieval, even if it has a warmer sound signature vs the E70. I’m not sure if this is because of the design or DAC differences but it’s the first thing I pick up when running both DACs into the L70 or SP400 amp. The amps on the other hand both sound extremely similar. I think the only true difference I could hear was the staging sounded wider and deeper on the SP400. The floor noise on the SP400 while very low still produces a light hiss on super sensitive IEMs like the OG Solaris or V16 Divinity IEM when run balanced. This floor noise is non-existent on the L70 and it’s impressive. Especially since the low gain is very wide and I can use IEMs and most headphones without ever needing to switch gains. The two amps use volume relays with the SP400 being an older design but it has quieter relays so it's less noisy when doing volume changes. I honestly don’t think you can go wrong with the Topping stack.
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Topping G5​

The G5 has been my goto portable since I reviewed it and it is used daily at the office in rotation with my Airpods Pro 2. The G5 is a slightly brighter sounding device vs the Topping E/L-70 stack. Both the stack and G5 can handle bass really well and both produce good mids/vocals. The G5 has a slightly brighter sound signature in the treble but when I A/B the two, I find the G5 adds enough sparkle in the treble to come off sounding better detailed. I would say the sound signatures are close but I don’t find the E70 sounds vastly better if at all over the G5 when it comes to DAC performance. The E70 is a desktop unit so we do get better compatibility with things besides USB or bluetooth inputs. I think for those who don’t need the massive power output of the L70 or the extra inputs from the E70, the G5 is extremely competitive and can be substituted as a desktop unit for those who may not want or need a separate setup for desktop and portable.
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Overall thoughts​

I’m lukewarm on the E70 DAC but I absolutely love the L70 amp and it will be used in the future for reviews next to my SMSL SP400 amp. Both provide great results in a good sized package. While I am reviewing this stack together, I do think I need to score them separately and meet myself in the middle. As much as I would love to just throw a 5 star rating, the E70 is competitive but not quite the performer I want given the price. Hence I think the E70 is a 4/5 rating. The L70 is extremely competitive and I was very impressed and it is an easy 5/5 for me. Regardless of the ratings, the E70 and L70 both get a recommendation if you want the stack together. However, I would personally opt for something like the SMSL SU-9n($50 more) for a better sound signature and stack it with the L70. The L70 to me, is the star of the show and I was very impressed by the performance of the L70 and its power output specs. I always love seeing Topping evolve over time and this is another step in the right direction for them. Thanks for reading!!
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corgifall
corgifall
Softer presentation is a more relaxed and less detailed sound. It won’t be as sharp sounding and it usually won’t have a quick decay or speed in overall sound.
Leonarfd
Leonarfd
Got the E70 in my main setup, did go from AKM chip to the E70s Sabre. What I liked was the clean none fatiguing sound while still providing more resolution.

I pair it with A90 Discrete and like this combo alot, very detailed and full sounding. Usually I only use T1, Aeolus and Verite on Tubes, but on this combo it sounds good even though it's solidstate.

I tried Gustard X16, SMSL M400 and a Hegel HD 30(very expensive on loan from friend) at the same time.

I actually preferred the E70, still it's so subtle and the price can be a placebo factor since I didn't want to use to much on new DAC. All of them sounded very much the like in resolution, only the none fatiguing and musical side of E70 that made me decide.

Anyway nice review👍
YungOmbat
YungOmbat
topping and smsl have way to big of a line up tbh. just rinse and repeat

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tinkererGCH

New Head-Fier
I just got myself a Denon AH-D7200 and Sivga Robin SV021. I also ordered the Topping E70+L70+XLR Cable Stack. I am curious to see if I can hear a difference with and without the Stack when listening to ripped CDs in FLAC format.
 

Gymboy

100+ Head-Fier
I just got myself a Denon AH-D7200 and Sivga Robin SV021. I also ordered the Topping E70+L70+XLR Cable Stack. I am curious to see if I can hear a difference with and without the Stack when listening to ripped CDs in FLAC format.
How does E70 + L70 sound? Is it warm, neutral or bright? Do you get a good slam, or is it similar to SP200 sound, which was overly clean / boring sound. Thanks
 

tinkererGCH

New Head-Fier
How does E70 + L70 sound? Is it warm, neutral or bright? Do you get a good slam, or is it similar to SP200 sound, which was overly clean / boring sound. Thanks
Hello Gymboy: I actually never received the Topping E70+L70 stack, the delivery was not done, so I had to cancel it. In the meantime I read that the topping e70 velvet seems to better DAC working with the L70 AMP. I am still new to this and not sure what I want to get, the more I search to more I found the deeper I am getting into the rabbit hole.
 

Gymboy

100+ Head-Fier
Hello Gymboy: I actually never received the Topping E70+L70 stack, the delivery was not done, so I had to cancel it. In the meantime I read that the topping e70 velvet seems to better DAC working with the L70 AMP. I am still new to this and not sure what I want to get, the more I search to more I found the deeper I am getting into the rabbit hole.
Yeah, I exactly know what you mean. I considering between E70V + L70 & Modius + Jotunheim 2, having in mind to swap Modius with Bifrost 2 64. Latter should be more analog, organic sound (which is my preference) and when R2R added to equation there is no comparison. My humble opinion, hope it will help.
 

tinkererGCH

New Head-Fier
still on the search and I am finding more and more new items, like Hifiman EF400 / EF600. Products from Pro-ject and now also Questyle. Should I just keep what I have?
 

Gymboy

100+ Head-Fier
I got EF 400 from Hifiman store and can tell you it is punchy with very nice stage, HD800S is holographic (-> connected to Xduuo Ta 26 from Hifiman R2R dac unit). Power wise very powerfull, with LCD 2 2021 Closed Back cant hit 50% of volume and these are using 105mm planar driver. I need to give it a time to adjust my ear and burn in if possible and will know more in time. I would say it is slightly U shaped signature with elevated bass and high notes, DAC it self is warmish which perfectly compliments HD800S and Hifimans HPs.
 

stuck limo

Formerly with Light Harmonic/LH Labs
How does E70 + L70 sound? Is it warm, neutral or bright? Do you get a good slam, or is it similar to SP200 sound, which was overly clean / boring sound. Thanks

the SP200 has a more overly clean/sterile/boring/precise sound. the L70 has a warmer thicker organic less precise sound. The SP200 can be a little edgy and harsh while the L70 is more laid back and smooth but with less air/definition around the instruments. The SP200 is more punchy sounding and the L70 seems more rounded. The SP200 seems to have more apparent detail level available but I'm pretty sure that's because the treble on the L70 is rolled off, plus the midbass on the SP200 is less prominent. The vocals on the L70 are pretty forward and warm. They sound really nice. Overall, the L70 is a really nice relaxing smooth warm listen. Would recommend if you're into that sort of thing, but if you're looking for maximum detail, look elsewhere. The detail is present on the L70 but it's not prominent like it could be on other amps and takes a backstep to things like ease of listening.

I am pretty sure the SP200 has a deeper boxier soundstage, while the L70 is a wider soundstage. Things sound a bit more holographic on the SP200. The background noise/blackness is probably better on the L70 but I'd have to do a direct comparison.
 
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